有想团象牙琴枕或者固弦锥的吗？我来开团
最近一直在琢磨琴枕的事情找到一个老外的网站
高档货色有几种：阿拉斯加海象牙化石、普通象牙、西非象牙
很多老外吉他论坛里高档货色都是找他订的
报价透明，都在这里了
http://www.guitarsaddles.com/pricing.asp
据说阿拉斯加海象牙化石的琴枕，对琴音色改进还是很大的，精加工的50一个美元左右，象牙的也差不多价格，我准备弄一个琴枕和，一套固弦锥太贵了，暂时先不换了
有同好的一起，能摊点邮费算一点
介绍在这里，我懒得翻译了，英文不好的可以用在线软件看
ELEPHANT IVORY SADDLESElephant Ivory has traditionally been a highly sought after material for guitar saddles, nuts and pins.It is actually less dense than bone, although far less porous which gives the feel that it is harder.Its consistency from piece to piece is spectacular.It maintains the ability to polish like glass and has a beautiful off-white/tan/cream appearance with an elegant grain structure.Elephant Ivory provides a more subtle high end than bone or walrus and does not give the same “aggressive” overtones, although the elephant still provides exceptional clarity and string responsiveness throughout the entire frequency range.Elephant offers the best string-to-string “balance” of all the materials.Elephant is by far the most popular choice for those with vintage instruments because of its ability to retain the warm characteristics of such instruments, as well as it's intrinsic "traditional" value.Elephant is also a very popular choice on 12-string guitars, where balance and the need to not over-brighten the guitar is critical.ALL the elephant ivory I use is fully documented and legal to buy, sell and ship within the United States only. Reminder.... I cannot legally ship Elephant Ivory outside of the United States!
http://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/IMGGALLERY_EL57GIB.jpg Elephant Ivory set made for a 1957 Gibson J45 http://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/SADDLE%20ELEPHANT%201_small.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/SADDLE%20ELEPHANT_small.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/mei.jpgClick on any of the thumbnail images to see an enlarged view.
WEST AFRICAN HARD IVORY This is the hardest material that falls into the usable spectrum of densities for an acoustic guitar and is the ultimate material for maximizing the harmonic and overtone content of the instrument.For this reason, West African hard ivory is by far the most popular material used by fingerstyle players or those who simply want the best high frequency response and clarity.Sonically, it is the same as the fossilized walrus ivory, although being slightly harder, it is somewhat better for wear and tear. Personally, I feel this is one of the best natural materials I have used for guitar parts and the material I use in nearly all my personal instruments.
It's important to note that this material is significantly different than the regular elephant ivory listed above.Elephant Ivory or "soft ivory" makes up a vast majority of popular usage, while hard ivory is far more rare and used for tactile products such as chess pieces or other crafts that are often hand-held.
A note about your nuts:Because of its hardness, this is unquestionably the BEST material I have ever come across for nuts and will endure the years of wear and tear this component normally experiences.As with all the nuts I make, they come oversized with the string slots uncut and need to be installed by your local luthier or qualified technician, unless you have experience changing them..
Click on either image to see an enlarged view.http://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/we1.jpg http://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/PROD_WAFRICAN%20BLANKSsmall.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/IMGGALwehipins.jpg
http://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/west%20african%20martin.jpgBRIDGE PINS: Because of the rarity of hard ivory, as well as the fact that sonically speaking there is no discernable difference between the ivories in terms of pin material, all the elephant pins are made from the soft ivory.I do however keep a small inventory of W. African pins at all times.They are visually differ from soft ivory pins in that they have a more elegant grain.
HISTORY and COOL INFORMATION: Hard Ivory came from smaller animals that lived in Western Africa and are referred to as “Forest Elephants.”The tusks are smaller, lighter in color and are measurably more dense than standard elephant tusks.The forest elephants of Congo and Liberia had very strict harvesting controls imposed by their respective governments, eliminating nearly all of the poaching.This is one reason for the extreme rarity of this ivory. Unlike other areas of Africa, they were overlooked by hunters as potential “trophy elephants” because of the diminutive size of their tusks.Additionally, if these elephants were legally hunted for any purpose, one tusk was allowed to be retained by the permit holder, the other was required to be turned into the government.For this reason it is nearly impossible to find these tusks in pairs, which adds to its rarity.Much of this material I currently have came from tusks which were exchanged as gifts (legally) between U.S. and African dignitaries in the early 20th century, and eventually sold at estate sales.
As with the soft elephant ivory, ALL the material I purchase is legally obtained through licensed ivory dealers and in keeping with all standing laws.
West African Hard Ivory nut on a 1981 Flying Vhttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/WEHI%20on%20V.jpgReminder.... I cannot legally ship Elephant Ivory outside of the United States!FOSSILIZED WALRUS IVORY SADDLESFossilized walrus ivory is harvested from tusks belonging to LONG dead walrus’ found in Alaska.These finds are estimated to be anywhere between 200 to potentially thousands of years.No modern animals are harmed to procure this material. The fact that FWI is more expensive than other materials is due only to the fact that it is less abundant and someone has to go on a pretty good hike to dig it up.Unlike elephant ivory, the entire walrus tusk can be used. it is buried with, results in dramatic patterns, and significant color and pattern differences within each individual piece.
With a density approximately 25% greater than bone, it provides rich overtones and harmonic content.The fossilized walrus renders the instrument bright and lively, but exceptionally focused.The high-end notes, although aggressive, still ring out with superb clarity and definition..
The standard color my FWI comes in for saddles and nuts is an off-white color as shown below.
http://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/fwi%20TLT.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/fwi%20martin%20new.jpg
Standard Color
http://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/WALWHITEBOURSETsmall.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/saddle%20walrus%20dark.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/breed%20walrus.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/mfi.jpghttp://www.guitarsaddles.com/images/Images%20PRODUCTS/walrus%20sad%20martin.jpgClick on any of the images to see an enlarged view.
[ 本帖最后由 羊角疯 于 2010-12-28 09:46 编辑 ] 现在唯一的风险就是怕给海关收，但是这种小东西应该看不出来吧
研究了下，进口象牙是违法的，海象牙好像没规定，打个擦边球应该OK 买不起.....用牛骨的就足够了...... 好像有点走火入魔了
牛骨磨完了磨骆驼骨，然后开始打象牙的主意
国内也上网找过象牙边角料，小的只能做牙签，还得15块一克，太贵了 怎么个团购法呢？我想买啊，他是不是能造成我想要的形状？我要的是takamine的两段式琴桥 原帖由 rocksamuel 于 2010-12-28 09:51 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
怎么个团购法呢？我想买啊，他是不是能造成我想要的形状？我要的是takamine的两段式琴桥
他提供的那个表里有吉他的牌子，看pricing那栏，分类还是很细的
骨 复古骨 象牙西非硬象牙海象牙化石
Takamine (Split-Saddle, specify length each piece)$20.00$28.00$40.00$43.00$45.00
[ 本帖最后由 羊角疯 于 2010-12-28 09:57 编辑 ] 我看到了，确实有，但怎么团购呢？要多少人才能成团呢？ 我想报名参与啊。 我想报名参与啊。好像没开槽？ 有多少算多少吧，大家到时候摊运费 原帖由 jcz1986 于 2010-12-28 09:57 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
我想报名参与啊。好像没开槽？
别买上枕了，开槽的活太专业，每个琴都有细致区别的，所以网站建议是找专业人士去开，自己弄坏了就可惜了
换个下枕差不多了，有钱再弄套钉子，上枕骨头就OK了
为避免法律风险，建议统一买海象牙化石的，万一象牙过海关被查到麻烦的
[ 本帖最后由 羊角疯 于 2010-12-28 10:03 编辑 ] 那就先报个名吧，行动时请PM一下 报名，手机短消息联系 13816489564 唐， 打算买琴枕2个 所谓的海象牙琴枕，到底对音色有多大影响呢，有高人搞个对比视听吗？毕竟价格也太贵了 象牙？最好尽量少用这些珍惜资源吧。为了得到象牙，不知道多少大象被偷猎分子残杀。 不是大象，是海象牙化石，死了很久挖出来的
不过木吉他本身就是对珍惜树种的破坏，人的天性就是掠夺，保护是为了日后继续掠夺
不团真象牙，再重申下
运费是20多美元，单买快500了，人数够能把单价弄到400以下就动手
[ 本帖最后由 羊角疯 于 2010-12-28 16:52 编辑 ] 400的琴枕。。望天。 顶呀，不过对我来说太贵啦，前两天diy了tusq人造象牙，那是一个郁闷呀，立马把我的骨头枕换回去了 手头只有五千块的木吉他，暂时不想升级，纯支持一把！ 我也想买！！！ 早先世博园非洲馆见有2cmX4高9cm方章似的象牙标价4~3K,
闭馆前想再去砍价已卖空。
和象牙方章相仿的白色犀牛角制品便宜多了。 19楼的我跟你一样~那个tusq人造象牙搞的我郁闷了几天 请抵制使用野生动物制品。 我也郁闷过，把tusq换成骨头鱼真是心情舒畅
折腾的冲动也过了，反正人也不多，这个团关了吧，骆驼骨头其实挺好 可惜了!
我想买！！！ martin HD28上枕下枕是不是打磨好了的？ 自己打磨风险太大
阿拉斯加海象牙化石多少钱一套琴枕
我自己打磨骆驼骨 4套才出一套完美的 原帖由 mj2008mj2008 于 2010-12-31 10:17 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
martin HD28上枕下枕是不是打磨好了的？ 自己打磨风险太大
阿拉斯加海象牙化石多少钱一套琴枕
我自己打磨骆驼骨 4套才出一套完美的
一套就比较贵了，那边网站上固弦锥一套150，上琴枕，下琴枕都是50，但上弦枕没开槽，一套得250美元，合人民币也得1700了，再加20多美元的运费
不过EBAY上偶尔能看到便宜的，固弦锥6个100美元左右，还有卖粗坯的，上下弦枕一套50美元
但是马丁老琴（战前）都是海象牙化石，现在的一些特别型号也用这个，standard的没有
其实打磨不是什么问题，最难的是上弦枕开槽，专业开槽锉子淘宝上6把要780块，没必要为个骨头整一套吧，只能用什锦锉、锯条、美工刀，开槽出来的效果也很一般。
骆驼骨淘宝上没有半成品，只有粗坯
当年我用骆驼骨的粗坯纯手工磨成上弦枕的形状，加上开槽、调试，从晚上8点半干到半夜1点
很谨慎，如果失败的话真是彻底崩溃
下弦枕的粗坯我实在没有耐心弄了，现在还在用牛骨的
[ 本帖最后由 羊角疯 于 2010-12-31 11:32 编辑 ] 好东西啊！ 精益求精~纯精神支持了 原来好琴桥 真的管用
我岳父 给我做了一套猛犸象牙的枕桥...那音色听着比换好弦要猛的多，我老婆一下就听出延音长了，因为在岳父家是个破合板琴，我当初也是因为想试试这东西管不管用。岳父平时爱刻章，琴桥那几个斜披几乎没难度。象牙是岳父一个开古玩店的朋友给的边角料 太小了，什么也干不了...中间还有裂痕正好毁成一个枕 一个桥。（至于真是不是猛犸象的我就无从考证了）打磨出的味道岳父说是象牙。
明显感觉到那琴弦的共振比以前好了 ，爱丽丝半年多的旧弦听着低音砰砰的，泛音那个脆，手粘上就响。延音更不用说了....只可惜那琴不争气，没装琴弦放了一下午 琴颈废了 怎么拧都回不来了.... 岳父居然上网查了 跟我说12品3mm以内就行呵呵 ，老头太可爱了，其实手感比拆弦是差多了，东西是一比一磨得，只能是琴颈的原因了.... 你这钱挣的真黑 沈阳道 好的料 才6快一克
玩手串的 海象牙俗称树脂 真化石....
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