rg_470 发表于 2011-7-6 11:18:53

有意向 收一把国外手工古典吉他(预算2万以下)

如题:
工厂量产琴不要

作坊TEAM作业的可以,制作家与作坊合作的可以

品丝磨损不要太严重琴颈状态良好琴颈背面无明显磕痕或指甲印

无漆裂 木材硬伤

划伤、刮痕,无所谓,但不要过多

琴最好配原装盒
西班牙、德国、日本琴优先考虑
年份无所谓,只要琴状态良好

北京的琴,如果东西够意思,我自提
外地的,先商量价钱,再决定是否淘宝

海外代购的也可以,采用淘宝交易

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[ 本帖最后由 rg_470 于 2011-7-6 11:20 编辑 ]

ericzhunh 发表于 2011-7-6 14:26:39

Jose Ramirez 150 周年纪念版可以吗? 我上个月刚从西班牙带了把给闺女,可惜她是初学者,无法把好琴的优势发挥出来。

ktar 发表于 2011-7-6 14:34:37

我可以推荐一个保加利亚琴。

Kremona Orpheus Valley这个是保加利亚手工制造的。

http://www.kremonausa.com/index.php?main=7

这里貌似有些型号可以试听

罗老 发表于 2011-7-6 15:21:56

在这个价位能够买到最超值的琴我第一个想到的是美国制作家GV Rubio.

你如果幸运的话可能在二手市场可以在两万价格内买到他的琴.

罗老

yilin0602 发表于 2011-7-6 16:33:59

引用一下罗老的话:“在这个价位能够买到最超值的琴我第一个想到的是美国制作家GV Rubio.

你如果幸运的话可能在二手市场可以在两万价格内买到他的琴.”

rg_470 发表于 2011-7-6 21:00:28

原帖由 ericzhunh 于 2011-7-6 14:26 发表
Jose Ramirez 150 周年纪念版可以吗? 我上个月刚从西班牙带了把给闺女,可惜她是初学者,无法把好琴的优势发挥出来。
拉米雷斯以前考虑过R4,但是他始终是工厂量产琴,性价比不太好,虽然味道很正,但是不适合自己

我非常偏向樱井正毅或今井勇一的普及型号,
呵呵,说句题外话,我一直弹钢弦吉他,因为我以前用过martin这种量产型琴,后来又买了lowden这种工房手工琴,对比以后,我就决定再也不买大牌的量产琴了
我最早是学古典吉他的,想回归一下,寻求一把适合自己的琴,一是价格,二是品牌知名度,三是成色

a19466 发表于 2011-7-7 10:17:09

淮南市洁达琴行 发表于 2011-7-7 10:42:10

回复 6# rg_470 的帖子

楼主要是“非常偏向樱井正毅或今井勇一的普及型号”可以联系国内镇江美丽琴行,他们那有。

pod200 发表于 2011-7-7 11:26:03

原帖由 rg_470 于 2011-7-6 21:00 发表

拉米雷斯以前考虑过R4,但是他始终是工厂量产琴,性价比不太好,虽然味道很正,但是不适合自己

我非常偏向樱井正毅或今井勇一的普及型号,
呵呵,说句题外话,我一直弹钢弦吉他,因为我以前用过martin这种量产 ...

本人手上有 José RamírezSP,此琴比一般José Ramírez125周年庆吉他要高一个档次, 125周年庆吉他有3个版本:学生系列的R2和R4,另外就是1w多美金的演奏会级别。sp的级别比R和E系列的学生琴要高,José Ramírez 专刊上介绍SP琴是准演奏会用琴。因有2把古典吉他,所以José RamírezSP有合适的机会的话可以出售。


吉他图片在下列网址中出现过:http://bbs.guitarschina.com/thread-867981-58-1.html,天津朋友如有兴趣可以深聊。

qq:790290867,手机:13901716151

瞧你小样 发表于 2011-7-7 18:05:38

哪儿有g.v rubio的二手琴卖啊?

罗老 发表于 2011-7-7 21:18:41

原帖由 瞧你小样 于 2011-7-7 18:05 发表
哪儿有g.v rubio的二手琴卖啊?

http://www.guitarsint.com/classical_guitars.cfm

这个网站最多。

罗老

ericzhunh 发表于 2011-7-8 11:11:59

原帖由 rg_470 于 2011-7-6 21:00 发表

拉米雷斯以前考虑过R4,但是他始终是工厂量产琴,性价比不太好,虽然味道很正,但是不适合自己

我非常偏向樱井正毅或今井勇一的普及型号,
呵呵,说句题外话,我一直弹钢弦吉他,因为我以前用过martin这种量产 ...


拉米雷斯125周年纪念版可不是量产琴(从07年生产,11年结束生产),我6月初有机会去了趟马德里,买到的是今年产的125周年纪念版,编号才2100多一点。虽然我不懂吉他,但教琴老师非常喜欢这把琴,国外对这把琴好评太多了。

[ 本帖最后由 ericzhunh 于 2011-7-8 11:14 编辑 ]

rg_470 发表于 2011-7-8 11:24:13

原帖由 ericzhunh 于 2011-7-8 11:11 发表



拉米雷斯125周年纪念版可不是量产琴(从07年生产,11年结束生产),我6月初有机会去了趟马德里,买到的是今年产的125周年纪念版,编号才2100多一点。虽然我不懂吉他,但教琴老师非常喜欢这把琴,国外对这把琴好 ...
我比較偏向於手工吉他
拉米雷斯除了1A之外 應該都不是拉米雷斯工房自己全部生產的吧
他們好多琴 都是別的工房加工 然後拉米雷斯監製跟工廠的流水線量產區別不大吧
呵呵古典吉他不太懂也許說的不准確請多包涵 呵呵

rephealtang 发表于 2011-7-10 00:46:59

安东,我有一把ARMIN HANIKA59 CUSTOM,红松面板,可可菠萝背侧板,基本全新,正准备出手,你可否有兴趣

ericzhunh 发表于 2011-7-14 09:21:07

原帖由 rg_470 于 2011-7-8 11:24 发表

我比較偏向於手工吉他
拉米雷斯除了1A之外 應該都不是拉米雷斯工房自己全部生產的吧
他們好多琴 都是別的工房加工 然後拉米雷斯監製跟工廠的流水線量產區別不大吧
呵呵古典吉他不太懂也許說的不准確請 ...


有关您的看法,我专函Email给了拉米雷斯的制琴大师Amalia (上个月在西班牙期间,我专门去了趟她的Workshop,有幸认识她)。Amalia回函中文大意:在西班牙,学生用琴肯定是工厂加工,由于价格原因,艺术大师级才是纯手工打造。不用担心拉米雷斯学生琴质量问题,设计、质量控制等要求均由拉米雷斯掌控,然后交给特定挑选的西班牙工厂,制出半成品。为降低成本,工厂在加工过程中确实使用了机器,但仅限于一些不重要的部件加工,其实还是以手工制作为主。即使是学生用琴,也不是大批量生产,拉米雷斯特别重视维护品牌,从工厂出来的半成品到其Worshop后,拉米雷斯会对其进行最后的调制(Eric自评:相信这才是精华、独有的品质、专利技术所在),也就是最后这道“Final Touch”工序决定了拉米雷斯吉他不同于工厂吉他的原因。有关125周年版,被众多专业级演奏家青睐,有演唱会级吉他的品质(Eric自评:但价格上可被众多业余爱好者承受得起,演唱会级吉他最少需20多万人民币),有位演奏家对125周年版吉他很欣赏,特意用录制曲子后寄给Amalia,以示感谢。

Amalia回函英文全文如下:

“Regarding your comment on the guy who would like tu buy a guitar, and who thinks that our student guitars are not "ours", it is a big mistake. Most of the Spanish guitar makers have their own professional guitars hand made by them, and then the student guitars made in factories. The reason is that it is impossible for an artisan guitar maker to make a guitar by hand, in his workshop, at the price of a student guitar made in a factory. Then, most of them buy the guitars directly from the factories, but they do not have their own line, even some of them do not say that the guitars are made in a factory, not by them, even it is not true.

In our case, we have our own series, carefully designed by us, that we give totrustful Spanish factories who make them exclusively for us, with all our instructions, quaility demand and know how, and due to the high quality process involved in the manufacturing our our own models, they cannot be made in big quantities, but quite limited. And then, we bring the guitars almost finished to our workshop where we end the process, the "touch" to make them at our satisfaction. Because our guitars are always of a high quality, a big part of the process of our student guitars is made by hand, the machines are used only in the less important parts that will not affect the sound, for example, to make the neck, to sand the wood, to bend the sides, to cut the frets and to glue them...All these things make the guitars cost less. Also the quality, which is really good, cannot be compared with our professional guitars. Please, understand me if I tell you that I do not want to be boasting aboutmy prestige, although I feel proud to make a good instrument known all over the world. We have a very special high quality system to build our instruments, all carefully made by hand (although we also use machines, but in a very limited way: to cut the shape, to sand the first part of the process -the final part is sanded by hand- and little more). It is impossible to compare one of our guitars made in my workshop with a student guitar, even the best one. But, it is also true that many people say that our student guitars have the same good quality as some professional guitars made by other guitar makers.

Please, see the thing in the following way: it is like if we would contract certain workmen to make our guitars in a different, more economical way. But instead having our own factory, we contract a factory to work for us in small quantities.

I do not like to tell lies, even it may help sell more. I want that my customers know what they are buying, and that I am confident that if they buy one of my student guitars they have a real good instrument. For example, our 125 Años is a great instrument, played by many professional concertists who are proud of their guitar. I receive many compliments by owners of a 125 Años. Even one of them sent me a cd recorded with his 125 Años, and in the design of the cd he put the rosette of this guitar. The sound is fantastic. And they are all made in Spain.

Please understand that, in case that the manufacturer who makes my student guitars would try to sell them directly to a customer (which is something they cannot do, for the contract we have), the guitar will not have the same quality as the same model sold by me. This is because we always give the "final touch", by my most skilled luthiers.”

刚看到一则新闻,介绍西班牙吉他厂家Alhambra.SL 阿尔罕布拉公司 工厂实拍 (http://bbs.guitarschina.com/thread-1209075-1-2.html ),你可看到,机器在吉他加工中肯定会用到,机器只不过辅助学生用琴的生产而已,人是决定因素。

ericzhunh 发表于 2011-7-14 09:24:34

原帖由 rg_470 于 2011-7-8 11:24 发表

我比較偏向於手工吉他
拉米雷斯除了1A之外 應該都不是拉米雷斯工房自己全部生產的吧
他們好多琴 都是別的工房加工 然後拉米雷斯監製跟工廠的流水線量產區別不大吧
呵呵古典吉他不太懂也許說的不准確請 ...

拉米雷斯会在10月份的上海玉器展参展,有空去那里试奏吧!
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gtlover 发表于 2011-7-14 19:58:56

David羊 朋友有一把琴,只要6000,不知出了没有。是北京的

rg_470 发表于 2011-7-15 07:56:47

原帖由 ericzhunh 于 2011-7-14 09:21 发表



有关您的看法,我专函Email给了拉米雷斯的制琴大师Amalia (上个月在西班牙期间,我专门去了趟她的Workshop,有幸认识她)。Amalia回函中文大意:在西班牙,学生用琴肯定是工厂加工,由于价格原因,艺术大师级 ...
拉米雷斯還是1A吧 是真正的拉米雷斯 呵呵
別的就這麼回事吧   除非你是大師演奏家 跟這個工廠很熟悉 在這個吉他終檢封箱之前 去他的線上挑選吉他 否則買到手裡的琴就那麼回事 工廠琴 有好有壞 這個參次不齊的現象太嚴重了 大牌子的martin吉他我也用過 跟小作坊lowden出來的琴,對於演奏音樂來講,lowden這種二流手工琴 才基本達標可以說是真正演奏獨奏音樂的樂器
所以自此之後 我就決定再也不買工廠流水線的琴

ericzhunh 发表于 2011-7-15 08:27:39

问了下Ramirez ,10月上海乐器展参展吉他有:

A、Ramirez Professional guitars (all with 650mm scale, except the Flamenco guitar, that has 656mm scale):
   1 x flamenco guitar, professional (German spruce top, cypress sides and back)
   1 x classical Traditional guitar, professional (red cedar top, Indian rosewood sides and back)
   1 x classical Centenario guitar, professional (red cedar top, Madagascar rosewood sides and back)
   1 x SPR, classical semiprofessional guitar (red cedar top, Indian rosewood sides and back)


B、Ramírez studio guitars (all with 650mm scale):
   1 x 125 Años (red cedar top, Indian rosewood sides and back)
   1 x R2 (red cedar top, Indian rosewood sides and back)
   1 x R4 (red cedar top, Indian rosewood sides and back)
   1 x 3NAE (spruce top, Indian rosewood sides and back)
   1 x 4NE (red cedar top, Indian rosewood sides and back)
   1 x FL2 (spruce top, cypress sides and back)

rg_470 发表于 2011-7-15 08:28:35

原帖由 ericzhunh 于 2011-7-15 08:27 发表
问了下Ramirez ,10月上海乐器展参展吉他有:

A、Ramirez Professional guitars (all with 650mm scale, except the Flamenco guitar, that has 656mm scale):
   1 x flamenco guitar, professional (German...

你是幹什麼的?

dindin 发表于 2011-7-15 08:30:36

可惜LZ收的是古典的,
我有一把Flamenco 吉他 2005年Pedro Maldonado手工琴要出,
型號 Andalucia,
侧背 西班牙柏木

当初网购从西班牙寄来,
加关税要3W多

今年乐器展想入把好点的,
家里地方小不合适放置3个大琴箱





居住在Malaga 的Maldonado老先生和2个儿子共同制作Andalucia 型号,
背侧印玫 古典吉他

michaellanger 发表于 2016-12-21 11:48:28

我有把 Alhanbra 7p 全单 2005年买的 原装西班牙 老款的 木头好 。10年没变形。木头稳定。新款的比老款的配置缩水了。品丝没有磨损 外观95新 自然使用。买回来没怎么弹过。新款13500元 我这把就1万 。正宗西班牙声音 。性价比超高,比你买个新7PA 好 。带后期买的skb琴盒。琴在武汉 ,爽快包邮VX 18702783268

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