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发表于 2012-5-21 17:38:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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朋友有把美产的lakland想出手,,,,,,前2天拿给我试了一下,,,,,型号是5594  也本打算入手一把5线的琴,,,,,,只是一直在瞄着美产的sadowsky和加拿大的F  
试了5594后 觉得也是一把很优秀的琴,,,,,于是有点小纠结  苦于一直没有亲手弹过美产的sadow 所以想问一下大家   lakland5594 和 sadowsky nyc  算是一个档次上的琴么~~
两者差距在哪  谢谢大家
发表于 2012-5-21 17:47:46 | 显示全部楼层
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1. Lakland 是 35 寸的,Sadowsky 是 34 寸的
2. 同等配置下,Lakland USA 比 Sadowsky NYC 定价便宜 1000 美元左右
3. 都是极其优秀的琴

另外,F bass 是 34.5 寸的。
发表于 2012-5-21 17:54:37 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
我推荐LAKLAND
发表于 2012-5-21 17:57:11 | 显示全部楼层
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木有能力挑战nyc只能选择lakland的推荐lakland
 楼主| 发表于 2012-5-21 18:03:12 | 显示全部楼层
万分感谢楼上几位的回复~~~~lakland 5594确实不错 ,,,,指板也够宽,,,,,,在纠结纠结,,,,苦于没有2手的SDOW NYC  很想亲手试试 看看和lakland超低差距在哪  是在不行就LAKLAND了
发表于 2012-5-21 18:48:15 | 显示全部楼层
想了解美产的Sadowsky,个人建议先买把日产的试下。
发表于 2012-5-21 18:52:58 | 显示全部楼层

回复 5楼 白板 的帖子

“实在不行就 LAKLAND 了”说得好像 55-94 特别不堪一样。

不管怎么样,虽然定价上有所不同,这两家都是仿 Fender 的半手工琴(自己不做琴体琴颈,而只负责组装)里面数一数二的品牌,绝对没有高下之分,选择什么全凭个人喜好。

我再详细地比较一下两者的特点:

- 电路:Sadowsky NYC 的拾音器是自有品牌,可选择 J/J、P/J、Soapbar 组合;前级音色甜,带有 VTC 功能(自行 google),可切换主被动模式。Lakland 55-94 的电路是 Lakland-Hanson LH3 系统(以前是 Bartolini),拾音器为 J+MM 的配置,同样可以切换主被动
- 琴身:Sadowsky NYC 的琴体目前全部为 chamber,重量多在 7.5-8.5 磅之间,很轻。Lakland USA 现在琴身采用的 swamp ash 虽然不做中空,但质量本身也比较轻,因此总体上不会比 Sadowsky 重太多。
- 琴颈:Sadowsky NYC 的琴颈手感更接近 Fender,指板弧度固定为 12",琴枕处宽 1.75"。Lakland USA 的琴颈采用不对称设计,上厚下薄,指板弧度也是从低音区到高音区的 10-13" 混合型,琴枕宽 1.81",换言之感觉上会稍“宽”点。两者琴颈木头都是径切,内部都有石墨加强条。
- 品丝:Sadowsky NYC 用中号品丝,Lakland USA 用小号品丝,并且还 PLEK 过。
 楼主| 发表于 2012-5-21 18:56:02 | 显示全部楼层
万分感谢楼上的朋友~~~收获甚多~~~
发表于 2012-5-21 19:25:33 | 显示全部楼层

回复 7楼 carlisbs 的帖子

卡叔爆泡非同小何
发表于 2012-5-21 20:43:43 | 显示全部楼层
5594可一点都不差
发表于 2012-5-21 22:58:15 | 显示全部楼层
是两种声音而已,我个人倾向Lakland的味道
发表于 2012-5-21 23:03:19 | 显示全部楼层
我选较轻的实心琴体。
发表于 2012-5-22 06:06:11 | 显示全部楼层
楼主也可以考虑一下mike lull,也是比sadowsky nyc便宜的,但品质一点都不缩水的美产大牌
发表于 2012-5-22 08:42:38 | 显示全部楼层
nordy、mike lull、lakland口碑都甚好,当然还有个非常火爆的品牌alleva-coppolo
发表于 2012-5-22 09:05:19 | 显示全部楼层
可以到talkbass论坛搜索关键词lakland vs sadowsky,会查询到更多更详细的讨论
这两个品牌都是非常优秀的,有人评价sadowsky是技师,lakland更像推销员
也有一些人表示如果喜欢被动状态lakland更适合,而喜欢更现代的前级音色则需选择sadowsky
发表于 2012-5-22 23:22:10 | 显示全部楼层
这比较像是买宾士,宝马还有奥迪的分别。
不过sadowsky跟fbass跟5594都是蛮不同的琴,不好直接比较。

lakland 主要的考虑是看看自己能否接受它35寸的指板长度。我只玩过韩场的55-02,什么都好,只是琴颈的手感上还是有差,美场的应该不会有这种问题。
sadowsky 本身最吸引人的地方是在它的重量,内置电路口味浓厚,是小弟心中的实战王。metro本身就已经很不错了,不过我之前试过几把5弦(JJ, PJ)的都觉得b弦不够扎实 。
fbass 的感觉是我觉得最接近fender单线圈的声音,拾音器可以切单/双,内置前级通透。
bn5一把是在9.5-10磅左右,我的nyc p5 8.5磅,这1磅的差别是在晚上弹了大约3小时之后,背痛了一天跟两天半的区别。

基本上上述这几家的琴都是很难调到有难听的声音。
发表于 2012-5-23 09:46:59 | 显示全部楼层
我喜欢lakland,声音比较man
 楼主| 发表于 2012-5-24 06:45:23 | 显示全部楼层
感谢大家的发言~~~~不出意外琴下个月月初会到我手里~~~~刚发现朋友这把lakland 琴品上居然不是小点点~3 5 7 12 品上边居然是贝壳~~~朋友说是他当时制定时~根据他的要求做的~~~~~哎~~~我对这个琴了解不是很多,,,,,但是它的音色确实很棒!~
发表于 2012-5-24 09:44:05 | 显示全部楼层
个人更喜欢LAKLAND
而且5594的音色范围应该会大些  M+J嘛~~~~
发表于 2012-5-24 10:42:22 | 显示全部楼层
5594用户路过
发表于 2012-5-27 12:47:18 | 显示全部楼层
5594 不管做工还是声音都比Sadowsky更像量产琴(当然本身的设计和制造也都是走的量产琴路线),但是如果你不喜欢精致的声音就5594,对很多人来讲Sadowsky的声音太录音室范儿了

另外Mike Lull,Nordy这种代工拼装琴,和Lakland不在一个水平线上。和Sadowsky更是明显有很大的差距。当然价格也都不是一个Level
发表于 2012-5-27 13:49:55 | 显示全部楼层

回复 22楼 bluesnblood 的帖子

Nordy我怎么觉得比Sadowsky metro要贵得多
发表于 2012-5-27 16:28:40 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 沉默的表示 于 2012-5-27 13:49 发表
Nordy我怎么觉得比Sadowsky metro要贵得多

NC(Nordstrand Custom)和 Nordy by Nordstrand 是俩牌子。。。Nordy价格和Metro一样,但是做工声音等等都不如Metro,也就比美豪略强点有限吧
发表于 2012-5-29 09:33:23 | 显示全部楼层
5594对我来讲很奢侈了已经,另外sadow不也是购买琴体等配件组装的吗
发表于 2012-5-30 15:03:15 | 显示全部楼层

回复 25楼 小徐天下第一 的帖子

必然不是 呵呵

sadowsky NYC是Roger sadowsky本人带领的团队在纽约制作
sadowsky Metro是Roger的弟子,菊池带领的团队在日本制作
日本的介绍可以看官网 http://www.sadowsky.com/pop/metro/tokyo_shop.html
发表于 2012-5-30 16:01:07 | 显示全部楼层
谁说Sadowsky是组装的琴?不清楚的朋友别乱说。

只有早期的琴桥不是自己牌子的,之后还是自己生产了
发表于 2012-5-30 16:13:23 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jinhao 于 2012-5-30 16:01 发表
谁说Sadowsky是组装的琴?不清楚的朋友别乱说。

只有早期的琴桥不是自己牌子的,之后还是自己生产了

Lakland USA 和 Sadowsky NYC/Metro 都是组装琴,但不是量产琴

两家都是从其他供应商购买成型的琴体,之后再自己进行打磨、加工、拼装、微调

他们没有“木头 -> 琴颈”和“木头 -> 琴体”这两步工艺。

但是这样并不意味着他们在琴的质量上存在任何让步和妥协。L 牌和 S 牌制造的都是非常非常好的贝斯
发表于 2012-5-30 23:50:55 | 显示全部楼层
楼上说得对。另外,Sadowsky的油漆也是外包的。因为纽约昂贵的房租和人工成本使用上漆这一步骤根本无法在纽约本地完成。
发表于 2012-5-31 10:03:04 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 carlisbs 于 2012-5-30 16:13 发表

Lakland USA 和 Sadowsky NYC/Metro 都是组装琴,但不是量产琴

两家都是从其他供应商购买成型的琴体,之后再自己进行打磨、加工、拼装、微调

他们没有“木头 -> 琴颈”和“木头 -> 琴体”这两步工艺。

但 ...


Sadowsky 和 Lakland 都不是组装琴,这两家都是除了油漆之外,全部都在自己的车间里制作。区别就是Sadowsky不管是美产还是日产,手工的成分都比较大一些,选材也更严谨一些。

如果不信,可以到两家官网去看看所谓的factory tour

不要被捕风捉影的谣言给影响之后再继续以讹传讹

现在国内大家都有点义和团,好像是要打破一切洋人神话似的

美国是有所谓的custom品牌是组装的,但是绝对不是这两家
发表于 2012-5-31 10:15:00 | 显示全部楼层

谁能告诉我那些木头板子是干嘛的?拿来做桌子的么?

Lakland的工厂参观有兴趣的朋友自己找吧。这是Sadowsky美国和日本的。
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发表于 2012-5-31 10:22:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 小徐天下第一 于 2012-5-29 09:33 发表
5594对我来讲很奢侈了已经,另外sadow不也是购买琴体等配件组装的吗

根据某些中国神人的说法,蝴蝶也是从山东买琴体组装的,然后卖中国人一个天价,我们要坚决抵制这些不明不白的洋牌子,因为全世界除了中国没有哪个国家是在自己工厂里做东西,大家应该买中国“手工”
当然,此说法仅有中文版本,若不慎流入海外,纯属意外

[ 本帖最后由 bluesnblood 于 2012-5-31 10:23 编辑 ]
发表于 2012-5-31 10:35:35 | 显示全部楼层
管他的,对于我们乐手,顺手,对得起这个价钱就行。
发表于 2012-5-31 12:30:08 | 显示全部楼层
转一个 Roger 自己发的贴子,清楚得说明了Sadowsky的琴体和琴颈是怎么来的。大意是所有的木头都是Sadowsky自己采购的,然后交给专门的加工公司生产琴体和琴颈的的半成品,所有的打磨装配等都在Sadowsky纽约的工场。英文好的朋友可以自己研究一下。

Originally Posted by Originally Posted by Sadowsky
It's been a while since I posted this. It also addresses the Fender vs Originality questions. Here it is again for Mark and any other newbies on Talkbass!:

1) Several people have posted and commented that Sadowsky uses Warmoth parts. I would like to address this for what I hope will be the last time. I did use some Warmoth parts during the 80's and have ordered an occasional neck from them for some of our repair customers during the years. However, Sadowsky has not used any Warmoth necks or bodies on their basses for at least the last 10 years.

2) Regarding subcontractors....Many instrument companies use subcontractors. It is very difficult to balance quality and maintain costs. If we were making every body by "hand" (which no one really does), costs would be absurdly high and consistancy would be very low. The average cost of a CNC machine (a computerized carving machine), with software, is about $125,000.00. Because that is beyond the means of most of us "smaller" guys, there are companies that own these machines who make parts for the "rest of us". Sadowsky, Lakland, Lull, Turner and lots more of us use various subcontractors. I know this takes some of the "romanticism" out of the process for you, but that is the way it is.

Regarding our electronics---when you go through hundreds of circuits a year, you don't hand wire each one by hand. You design the circuit, make the prototype, and then you outsource it to a shop than just makes circuit boards!

I had to make an important decision about 20 years ago. I could set up shop where I could do all the woodworking by myself. This would have meant locating where there are very few professional players. Instead, I chose to locate in the middle of Manhattan, where the top players could easily get to my shop. As long as I had good subcontractors I could depend on, I felt it more important to have the one-on-one and the indespensible feedback from the top players. This was also motivated by the fact that I still do a lot of repair and restoration work. I have never regretted this decision. It is hard to make a "working musician's" instrument if you don't have many working musicians to interact with.

I build a Fender style instrument because that is what my clientele demands of me. 20 years ago, it was almost impossible to walk into a studio in NYC with anything other than a Fender. In fact the Union directory had two bass listings: Upright Bass and Fender Bass! All electric basses were referred to as Fender bass. There was a great deal of pressure on the bassists to only bring a Fender to a session.

If I had a couple of million dollars, I could set up my own manufacturing facility outside of the city, but I can only be in one place at one time so it works just as well to use the subcontractors.

Keep the following in mind: We purchase all of our wood directly. We hand build all of the "prototypes" that get sent to the subcontractor. We own all of the fixturing and programming. We continuously monitor the quality of our parts to be sure they are worthy of the Sadowsky name.

The bodies come into our shop unsanded. We do all of the edge contouring, finish sanding and hand fit every neck pocket to get a perfect fit to our necks. Many of our bodies get additional routing and shaping done in our shop.

The necks come in unsanded. We true each fingerboard one at a time, fret the necks, dress the frets, finish sand the necks, and spray the necks. On custom orders, we hand shape the neck too.

Our assembly process is impeccable with regard to the quality of our components and workmanship.

So I hope you can see that we definetly are a "hands-on" shop. I could not have achieved the reputation I have if I were simply buying a neck and body and "screwing them together". I think anyone who has had the opportunity to play a Sadowsky can appreciate the quality of the instrument. That doesn't mean they are for everyone---instrument choice is very subjective. What is nice is that all of us....Sadowsky, Lakland, Mike Tobias, Spector, Fodera, etc....all have lots of players that think we make the best instrument in the world! It's kind of perfect that way---don't you think? You don't have to disparage the other builders just because you prefer someone else's instruments.

Lastly, many people speculate on this forum about issues related to Sadowsky without ever bothering to email me directly with their question. I am here and I am happy to answer all of your emails individually.

Hope this clears things up for some of you.

Sincerely,

Roger
发表于 2012-5-31 12:35:25 | 显示全部楼层
再不济,这俩牌子不还是在美国做吗?价格在那儿呢,一万多的好多琴都在中国做了,回去不照样打上原产地。中国人在老外眼里,就是人傻钱多。
发表于 2012-6-1 00:57:55 | 显示全部楼层
相信白总没错的
发表于 2012-6-1 08:35:59 | 显示全部楼层
说些个人观点
探讨sadow、lakland是否购买琴体、琴颈再加工的确是个有趣的话题,但不应该成为判断琴品质的标准,还是老话,它们肯定都是极其优秀的乐器
发表于 2012-6-1 10:59:34 | 显示全部楼层
http://www.ikebe-gakki.com/web-i ... mokuzai-sentei.html

不好意思,如果我没有理解错的话,Sadowsky的CNC加工是在他们日本的工坊里面做的,具体流程请看我上面列举的链接,都有照片。当然Sadowsky Tokyo是和Sadowsky NYC平行的独立公司,理解为另一家公司到也没错。

Lakland 的两位股东Lakin以及McFurland,一位负责设计,另一位是从Washburn跳槽出来的负责生产,他们也是有自己的生产线,并不是手工作坊。

[ 本帖最后由 bluesnblood 于 2012-6-1 11:00 编辑 ]
发表于 2012-6-1 11:34:40 | 显示全部楼层
暴徒说的一万多的琴很多是大陆制造再回到某国打上某国制造的标签,是很多。我认为还得看各个国家的质检,实话说,中国人的手工要是不好,还有几个国家敢说好的。但是我对中国的质检标准不满意,造成不管什么牌子,不管什么行业,中国制造就是廉价货。要不买外销的,也行。
发表于 2012-6-1 12:04:08 | 显示全部楼层

回复 39楼 蝙蝠WX 的帖子

其实这个问题,首先是中国的工厂可以做好,但是里面肯定是有窍门的。因为之前把样品发到北京一个朋友那里,他家正好有把91年的美芬,对比了一下,有差距,但是具体为什么不知道。前段时间发回来之后带着我的样品到一个跟各个工厂打交道的朋友那里去让他看,提到了X达,他们在XX达工厂代工,并不是随便的,而是派了20个技师培训了三年。

[ 本帖最后由 金属暴徒 于 2012-6-1 12:07 编辑 ]
发表于 2012-6-2 02:34:11 | 显示全部楼层

回复 38楼 bluesnblood 的帖子

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