Villa-Lobos 12 Estudios No.3 的左手指法方案
我手头有印刷版的乐谱，一首左手为主的练习曲，上面一个左手指法标注都没有，上周录了个视频，记录了初步的指法安排方案，在 delcamp.net 论坛得到一位大虾的指点，原话引用到我的日志中了，http://blog.joeno1.com/article.asp?id=170
这个周末重录一边，采纳了部分意见，其余的暂时保留自己的指法，还需要思考和改进。目前的指法安排主要是考虑在更快的速度下的把握性与左手噪音的控制两方面，希望这里有经验的大虾也能帮忙指点一下，感激不尽！
http://3alabel.com/JoeNo1/Guitar/tmp/LobosEtudeNo3_2.wmv 我还没有时间弹, 不过帮顶一下.
我记得有过两份乐谱, 其一和你的一样, 其二要回去看看是否有指法. 原帖由 cyberninja 于 2008-3-25 01:19 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
我还没有时间弹, 不过帮顶一下.
我记得有过两份乐谱, 其一和你的一样, 其二要回去看看是否有指法.
感谢关注！期待结果。。。 原帖由 JoeNo1 于 2008-3-26 01:05 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
感谢关注！期待结果。。。
抱歉昨天忙忘了, 今天晚上去看看 把对话也引用过来。
ramsnake：
Tough piece Dude! I have checked against my version which I fingered myself and from what I can see you have it pretty well sorted but I would like to suggest a couple of little changes you might like to consider which may make it more accessible for you!
Bar 2 - Slide up to 2nd position on the 2nd beat which facilitates the 4th finger pull off from the G on the 4th string at the end of that bar. Saves the easy to miss shift at the end of the bar that you are just getting each time.
Bar 5 - Try using the 2nd finger for the bass C rather than swinging that 1st across.
Bar 7 - I start this bar off in 3rd position on the 4th string using a 3rd to 4th finger pull off ending up on the 5th string in 1st position for both executions of the bar rather than just on the 2nd as you are doing.
Bar 10 - Rather than shifting to 7th position on the last two notes of the bar try remaining in 6th position by using a 3rd to 2nd finger pull off then moving in to 7th position when you place the chord at the beginning of the 11th bar. This fingering means that the 1st finger free to place on the bar as are the 3rd and 4th which you need also.
Bar 17 - Tricky but here is something to try! Rather than going across the strings as you are try going down the 1st string to 6th position using 1st to 2nd finger hammer ons then go across the 2nd and 3rd strings before using a trick slide on the 4th string from the A# to the B using the 3rd finger. This leaves your 1st, 2nd and 4th fingers free to grab the chord again on the repeat and to then easily move down the 4th to play the E# to F# at the 3rd position.
Bar 18 - Although the notes are only a semitone apart I use a 1st to 3rd finger hammer on the 4th string followed by a 2nd to 4th pull off on the 5th before moving to 1st position for the A# to B.
Bar 22 - A sod of a bar made even more difficult by an error in the score I believe. I think the bass note on the final beat should be an A not G#. Certainly a lot easier to play and sounds well to my ear! These editions are notorious for their errors.
Joe：
A reply to ramsnake after my retry.
Bar 2, good suggestion. easy change, great improvement. Thanks!
Bar 5, I still want to keep my fingering. switching to the 2nd beat seems more difficult if the 1st beat using 12.
Bar 7, interesting one, your verion is good at connecting the next measure, mine looks easier to follow the previous measure. but both of ours have bad scratch sound from the left hand shift. I'm not sure which one I should use later yet.
Bar 10, I think I get a better solution at the 3rd beat. that's 1 2-2 1. slide up 2 and use 1 to bar VII for the last note. so the left hand fingers are totally ready to connect the next measure.
Bar 17, I use two different fingering for this time, may consider change next...
Bar 18, totally agree! Thanks again!
Bar 22, I don't agree. I think the G is right. I try to play the base notes ONLY from Bar 19 to 23. it makes sense to me that the unstable G is resolving at A. yes, holding the G is more difficult to play, but I think I can do it. 帮顶 这曲子对左手有很大帮助哇 俺也决定来试试
顺便问一下第二小节前两个音好像JOE也弹成圆滑的么？谱子错了还是我听错了？ 原帖由 wchai3 于 2008-3-27 01:15 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
帮顶 这曲子对左手有很大帮助哇 俺也决定来试试
顺便问一下第二小节前两个音好像JOE也弹成圆滑的么？谱子错了还是我听错了？
你不说我都没注意到这个问题，我已经把它想当然看成圆滑音了。不知是何原因，印刷失误？不过我认为弹出来、敲出来问题都不大，并不觉得能有什么特殊的效果或意义。
乐谱中少有地标注了几个空弦音，是为了给左手一点转换的时间，在非常快的速度下，这么一丁点时间非常好用。
我觉得乐谱标注的速度比较可怕，我视频里 80～90 的速度还差了不少，再提高速度，只怕有些指法又需要改进了。。。
曲中没有一处变态跨度指法，最大的跨度也有 4 品（一个手指一品），完全适用于普通人的手。但它很好地锻炼了左手在运动中的平衡，同样要求速度与每根手指的效率（变态的地方在：没有一根手指能逃得过考验），记得我多年以前第一次接触此曲时简直是寸步难行，很快就缴械投降了。。。
无论如何，我认为这是一首非常好的左手练习曲，强烈推荐！ 俺听了一下大师的录音 好像也是打出来的
不过对俺来讲这种圆滑和弹奏相间隔的类似音阶的东西 对左右手的协调配合也有 一定的要求
JOE在这方面可能没有什么障碍了 不过俺就还欠些火候 比如如果那里硬是俺照谱子来的 左右手
一开始就会有些不适应 不过练练也能克服:)
每个手指都要很平衡 这确实是这个曲子的练习价值所在 As promised... 原帖由 cyberninja 于 2008-3-27 13:38 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
As promised...
抓屏啊，晕！
还能看得见，谢了！ 谢谢，下来试试
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