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发表于 2006-3-7 08:25:32 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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就贵的琴来说, 俺以前一直认为rameriz的琴最好, 但现在好象国内职业演奏家们的琴好象没有用rameriz的, 不知道是为什么. 好象国外的职业演奏家们也不是都用rameriz.
是不是rameriz的质量不如以前了, 还是别的制琴者水平赶上来了?
发表于 2006-3-7 08:31:00 | 显示全部楼层
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国内的演奏家当然有用RAMERIZ的。
发表于 2006-3-7 09:28:34 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
别以为就吉他王国的吉他最好,其实美国、德国、澳洲都有不少好琴。
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-7 09:41:49 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
原帖由 henry 于 2006-3-7 09:28 发表
别以为就吉他王国的吉他最好,其实美国、德国、澳洲都有不少好琴。

是啊, 所以提出这个问题, 在Segovia时代好象职业演奏家们很多都用Rameriz,但现在好象用rameriz的不多了
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发表于 2006-3-7 10:27:00 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2006-3-7 12:54:42 | 显示全部楼层
Rameriz, 比现在一些后起的制作家的琴来说, 并非特别优秀.



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[ 本帖最后由 哈哈 于 2006-3-7 12:56 编辑 ]
发表于 2006-3-7 15:24:18 | 显示全部楼层
时代是进步的,曾经是照相机巨人的徕卡要财政重组,康泰时要退出市场,王安电脑今天在那里?跟不上时代步伐只好被淘汰。
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-7 16:17:44 | 显示全部楼层
俺对各种古典吉他品牌不是很了解, 以前在国内时, 琴行只有红棉, YAMAHA, 和Espanola, 俺当时的比较是YAMAHA比较好, Rameriz没有机会试. 现在当然听说了各种各样的品牌, 如果USD1000-1500, 哪种品牌和型号声音比较好而且音量比较大呢? 俺知道YAMAHA GC31在这个范围内, 但没有弹过.

[ 本帖最后由 cyberninja 于 2006-3-7 16:19 编辑 ]
发表于 2006-3-7 17:26:00 | 显示全部楼层
Perez 610 古典吉他如何?
发表于 2006-3-7 18:01:19 | 显示全部楼层
Joe以前有把呀。665弦长的。
发表于 2006-3-8 00:53:04 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 halo 于 2006-3-7 08:31 发表
国内的演奏家当然有用RAMERIZ的。

比如郦
发表于 2006-3-8 01:10:36 | 显示全部楼层
“是不是rameriz的质量不如以前了, 还是别的制琴者水平赶上来了? ”
这句很别扭,哈,不象成熟人士言论


不知山中日月。。。。

古典吉他制作这门艺术,和做相机是不能比的(尤其是科技范畴里的)

那么这么说,意大利早期的提琴应该不值钱了


现在的信息更发达了,人们得到的资讯更广泛了————————突然大家发现,原来好琴那么多。。。

他们其实一直存在,只不过“被关注”的程度不通(注意是:通)而已。

呵呵
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-8 02:24:29 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 小兵吉他 于 2006-3-8 01:10 发表
“是不是rameriz的质量不如以前了, 还是别的制琴者水平赶上来了? ”
这句很别扭,哈,不象成熟人士言论


不知山中日月。。。。

古典吉他制作这门艺术,和做相机是不能比的(尤其是科技范畴里的)

那么 ...

您说得是,
不过俺的问题还没解决:
Perez 610 古典吉他是手工的吗?
除了Perez 610 古典吉他还有什么推荐?
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-8 04:26:57 | 显示全部楼层

有人推荐 Ramirez R1 或Contreras C4

有谁用过吗?感觉如何
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-8 04:32:38 | 显示全部楼层

找到一篇比较Ramirez, Contreras, Córdoba的文章

Ramirez, Contreras, Córdoba
Old-world craftsmanship, world-class tone.

  
Before it ever yakked, wept, screamed, or cut heads, the guitar sang. By the middle of the last century, this humble folk instrument had been refined enough to play serious music. With slight improvements, the same instrument is still played by scores of classical masters. Segovia, Bream, Williams, Parkening, Romero, and thousands of others have established the Spanish classical guitar as an immensely expressive and flexible chordal and contrapuntal instrument, worthy of transcribed works from the likes of J.S. Bach, Beethoven, and Strauss.

But the purity of tone and gentle voice of the classical guitar has never been entirely absent from the rest of the musical universe. Aside from recognized soft-string luminaries like Earl Klugh, Paco de Lucia, John McLaughlin (in some incarnations), and the Gypsy Kings, generations of pop giants have dared to touch nylon. Elvis, Willie Nelson, Clapton, Joan Baez, Linda Ronstadt, George Harrison, Paul Simon, and Sting - to mention just a few - have all featured the flavor of Spanish guitar on their recordings.

Though it is the ancestral stock of all flattops, solid-bodies, resonators, twelve-strings, and even pedal steels, the Spanish classical guitar is a zebra of a different stripe in more ways than one. The wider, flat fretboard; lower string tension; and greater string diameter make the classical guitar a friendlier platform for extremely complex arrangements involving both hands. And though it may seem a slower neck at first, once you play it for a while you'll find it's easier to keep clean definition even on fast runs - provided you can get your right hand up to speed (a pick is always a possibility, if unorthodox).

The lower string tension means the top of a classical guitar can get by with lighter bracing, thus allowing much greater responsiveness to nuances of tone. The lower-tension, thicker strings also provide fuller mid- to low-range response.

Spanish artisans
The guitars I played for this article are all made in Spain - traditional home of the guitar. Aside from the addition of a few power tools, they are made almost just as they were 150 years ago. Almost all of the crafting is done by hand in small shops where the system of apprenticeship is still practiced. Total output of the Ramirez or Contreras shops can be counted in the hundreds - rather than thousands - per year. Such details as a wood binding (versus plastic) can take many hours of hand labor. The difference between these guitars and their mass-produced counterparts is immediately apparent when you play them.

  
The legendary Ramirez
Since 1882 the Ramirez family has been creating top-flight classical guitars for such greats as the "father of classical guitar" Andres Segovia, his world-renowned student Christopher Parkening, and equally lauded master Julian Bream. After ten seconds with the R1, it was clear what keeps Ramirez at the top. In a word, it is tone - big, full, resonant, splendiferous TONE. I could feel, see, and hear the integrity in every joint, from the sonorous solid cedar top to the maple purfling on gorgeous mahogany sides to the easy-playing Spanish cedar neck with ebony fingerboard.

The R2 was even more astounding. The timbre of its solid Canadian red cedar soundboard reminded me of a piano or a concert harp. The projection and warmth of the tone cast a spell I couldn't break until my hand was aching and I was pushing the limits of my classical repertoire. The Indian rosewood back and sides fairly glowed, and the attention to detail was truly impressive. The closer I looked, the better it got.

  
Contreras, consummate craftsmanship
An apprentice of José Ramirez III, Manuel Contreras is an internationally acclaimed luthier known for innovation. But the C5 I played showed that he first mastered traditional building methods and taught them to his son, who now runs the shop. The wood choice, bracing, and finishing techniques on the solid cedar top come together to produce a magical tone that is both seductive and robust, with a great deal of responsiveness to differing attacks. It features solid Indian rosewood back and sides, a Spanish cedar neck, and a masterfully crafted ebony fretboard. The gold-plated European tuning machines add an extra measure of brilliance to an already resplendent instrument.

  
Córdoba, affordable excellence
The 20 Solid Top and 40R Córdoba guitars I played evinced Spanish workmanship and attention to detail with all the essential elements of a true classical guitar for phenomenally low prices. The solid cedar soundboard on the 20 produced a great tone that complemented the fluid playability of the mahogany neck with rosewood fretboard. The 40 had a lot of beautiful high-end features like a solid cedar top, maple purfling on rosewood sides and back, and gold-plated tuners. It actually held its own with the pricier guitars I played.

I have to admit I'm not a classical purist, but the Córdoba that really impressed me was the FCWE Gypsy Kings Acoustic/Electric Cutaway. It has lower flamenco-style action that really babied my fingers and a solid German spruce top for great acoustic tone. It sounds great plugged in, too, thanks to Fishman Pro-Blend electronics that give you incredible sonic control.

Whether you're a career classical player or a crossover from the realm of steel, let Musician's Friend provide you with a quality Ramirez, Contreras, or Córdoba Spanish Classical Guitar for a great price.


Features & Specs
José Ramirez R1 José Ramirez R2
Solid cedar soundboard
Solid mahogany back and sides
Spanish cedar neck
Ebony fingerboard
Fusteros tuning machines
Solid red cedar soundboard
Laminated Indian rosewood back and sides
Spanish cedar neck
Ebony fingerboard
Fusteros tuning machines

Córdoba 20 Solid Top Córdoba 40R
Solid cedar soundboard
Laminated mahogany back and sides
Mahogany neck
Rosewood fingerboard
Nickel plated tuning machines
Solid cedar soundboard
Laminated rosewood back and sides
Mahogany neck
Rosewood fingerboard
Gold-plated tuning machines
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-9 02:41:37 | 显示全部楼层
看来在Ramirez, Contreras, Córdoba中, Ramirez声音亮, 音量大, 虽然R1是Ramirez最低档次的琴, 声音应该不错
不知道最低档的Ramirez R1和高档YAMAHA GC系列(GC31等, 不是custom shop 出的GC)比, 谁的音量更大, 共鸣更好.
希望哪位开琴行的能给介绍介绍.
发表于 2006-3-10 00:09:08 | 显示全部楼层
I played R1 at one of the guitar center chain stores.  The sound of that particular guitar was big and the body resonated very well with the soundboard that is made of cedar.  However, I have never played Yamaha GC31.  One of the differences between the 2 guitars is that the back and sides of R1 are made of solid mahogany and those of Yamaha GC31 are made of Solid Indian Rosewood according to the specifications.

Ramirez guitars are comparably more expensive than most of the relatively unknow guitars at the same level.  That is my personal point of view.  Sorry for using English due to my very slow input speed of Chinese characters.  But I visited your English website and am pretty sure that you know English.
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-10 12:32:57 | 显示全部楼层
It seems that Ramires, even for the low-end R1, generates big and bright sound.
However, I just worry about most of the money spent on the famous brand rather than its quality.
I've got enought info for Ramires from the Internet and Delcamp. However, I didn't get any review directly from some one plays YAMAHA GC31.
发表于 2006-3-10 12:45:55 | 显示全部楼层
除了yamaha gc31瞧着眼熟,估计与吉他有关之外,其他的一概看不懂。
写汉字吧
发表于 2006-3-10 18:33:04 | 显示全部楼层
ni jiu  dang  kan pin yin jiu  wan  le  ,haha  

perez 610如果是手工的,哥们还在这作斑竹啊?

早发财去了。
发表于 2006-3-10 19:38:43 | 显示全部楼层
SOR的咋样?
 楼主| 发表于 2006-3-11 04:40:49 | 显示全部楼层
>>SOR的咋样?
没听说过, 品牌太多了...
在得到YAMAHA GC31的comments之前, 看样子俺还是倾向于rameriz, 虽然是rameriz最低档的产品, 好象用过的人都说音大音优.
业余爱好嘛,玩不起上万美元的吉他
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