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便宜不错的手工琴

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发表于 2006-4-20 16:15:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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http://www.mangore.com/contrera.html
虽然没有什么名气, 听录音好象还不错
老马,和你的AA10比怎么样?
发表于 2006-4-21 00:24:43 | 显示全部楼层
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我的是AA70呀,我没用过AA10
发表于 2006-4-21 00:29:03 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
感觉得不错哦,1千多刀也不便宜了,如果是全单的还挺好呀,说是仿弗列达吉他,那应该是不错的
发表于 2006-4-21 00:30:33 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
另外,我听不到录音的,你把录音放上来吧,让大家也听听
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-21 00:36:38 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 老马哥 于 2006-4-21 00:30 发表
另外,我听不到录音的,你把录音放上来吧,让大家也听听

录音在该网站上,按"Play"就行

不知道是不是全单的 - 全单就是说是一整块面板和被板而不是两块夹在一起,是吗?

你的是AA70是手工的吗? 多少钱?
发表于 2006-4-21 00:43:34 | 显示全部楼层
我的是全单的,印度玫瑰木背侧板,A级白松面板(这个价位的白松面不会太好!),算是手工全单里最低型号吧。8K多¥
PS:我是点那个Play了,但连不上,可能跟区域有关吧。你如果能下下来,给我们听听嘛!看那些评语说得多好
这个价格应该跟阿帕里齐奥AA100的价格及档次想当吧

[ 本帖最后由 老马哥 于 2006-4-21 00:47 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-21 00:49:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 老马哥 于 2006-4-21 00:43 发表
我的是全单的,印度玫瑰木背侧板,A级白松面板(这个价位的白松面不会太好!),算是手工全单里最低型号吧。8K多¥
PS:我是点那个Play了,但连不上,可能跟区域有关吧。你如果能下下来,给我们听听嘛! ...

我点那个Play能下下来, 但是只有1K, realplayer放的时候可能实时download, 所以传也没太多意义
发表于 2006-4-21 02:08:11 | 显示全部楼层
音频的真实地址是:

http://www.nitsugamangore.com/retra.rm             473K     
http://www.nitsugamangore.com/guibelen.rm        1.74M
  
右健另存即可,下不来的用国外代理

应该是全单,相对国内的平均收入来说,还是贵了点.
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-21 03:05:32 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 deluxnet 于 2006-4-21 02:08 发表
音频的真实地址是:

http://www.nitsugamangore.com/retra.rm             473K     
http://www.nitsugamangore.com/guibelen.rm        1.74M
  
右健另存即可,下不来的用国外代理
...

你觉得声音音质怎么样?
俺已经去问是不是全单, 而且不知道Projection怎么样,声音是不是够大
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-21 04:29:27 | 显示全部楼层

是单板琴

刚收到email. 业主好象很自信.


Thanks for the quick response.


>>When I asked for the "single board based" I actually mean single layer. I understand multipel pieces are used >>in building guitar (such as the left back and the right back...) However, the top/back of lots of cheap guitar
>>are actually made from two layers of thin boards - which are glued together to make a thicker board.

The tops, backs and sides are solid wood and are not made from two layers.  The materials that Renato uses is the best and the soundtops are mastergrade.  If you are thinking of doing a custom model, there are several good sources where you can purchase the woods and then send them to Renato.  I have done so with four of the guitars that Renato has built for me.  I have a Pau Ferro/Cedar, Sapele/Cedar, Brazilian Rosewood/Cedar (concert guitar #2), Bubinga/Engelmann Spruce, and a Padauk/European Spruce.

>>As far as I know (maybe I am wrong), except for the very expensive Smallman guitar, the top/back most con>>cert guitars are mode from 1 layer board (not pieces). I just want to confirm that.


>>I am considering buying a handmade guitar in the near future and your model looks good for me.

>>




On 4/20/06, Virgil Rochester <gbtswengineer@yahoo.com> wrote:


>>Hi Virgil,

>>I visited your website of http://www.mangore.com/contrera.html and have a couple of questions
>>for the one of Spruce top  
c>>oncert guitar  US$ 1,480 :
>>1. Are the top, side, and the back are single board based? I mean the top, side, and back are not made
>>from 2 or multipel layers of board?
The woods for the backs, sides and top are typical wood sets that you get from luthier suppliers such as LMII, Colonial Tonewoods, Stewart MacDonald, thewoodwell.com, www.gilmerwood.com, etc.  The sound top for a classical guitar, whether it be spruce of cedar is two pieces of wood, typically about 3/16 of an inch in thickness, that are joined together to make the sound top.  Simarlarly, the back is composed of two pieces that are joined, as well as the sides.  I have yet to run across any soundtops or backs for guitars that are a single piece.  In fact, every set of woods that I have purchased, this includes mastergrade, have come that way.

>>2. What about the projection and the sound volume? Compared with the other famous guitar in the same pric>>e range, such as Ramirez R1/R2 and YAMAHA GC31?
The projection and sound of these guitars is as good, if not better than any of the famous guitars that I have encountered.  I have actually tried out several at Ed Roman's here in Las Vegas and there isn't a one of them I would trade for my mangore, and even the ones that cost $5000 or more!  Also, the craftsmanship and artistry isn't up to par. On many of the guitars that I looked at in the shops, the grain on the soundtop was not tight and straight.

Everyone of my guitars has a different voice and sound.  The spruce tops are more pronounced and bell like in the trebles.  Whereas my cedar tops are warmer and deeper in tone and have great volume and projection.  One thing that I will tell you is that the body of the custom models are slightly larger and therefore generate more volume and projection, than the production model concert guitars.  Even so, I love the action on my $1480 rosewood/cedar top and the projection, tone, and volume are incredible.  I have had that guitar for 9 months now and it gets better with each passing day.  I love Renato's guitars so much, I have acquired additional sets of Pau Ferro, and one set of camatillo rosewood with which to build several more custom models.  In my estimation, you can't go wrong.

Virgil

>>Thanks,

[ 本帖最后由 cyberninja 于 2007-3-29 08:23 编辑 ]
发表于 2006-4-21 14:20:26 | 显示全部楼层
感觉还可以,对发达国家的练习者来说,是不错的练习琴.

新琴的选择,是很困难的事,价位到一定程度,就失去了多选一的权利,只能寄希望于制作者的口碑.最好不是忽上忽下

每次听到有朋友忽然拥有了不错的手工琴,猛夸其天籁之音,就觉得好笑,一把新手工琴的初始声音比起低档琴,声音优异一点是很自然的事,但决不是天籁,正常弹奏几年后的声音,才是正常的本音,才可以真正评价琴的品质
新琴的选择还是有风险的,就是如此,也许几年后,有人发现好多米的全单手工琴声音还不如某些面单,一定感慨颇多

总的来说,全单手工以后的声音发展 一般都有不错的潜力,出发点是此琴的一贯品质不错,或运气不错,选对了琴


昨天刚见了一把琴,2004年巴塞罗那某琴师的手工,号称¥8w ,试弹了一会,就当下情况来说,对不住此价,但愿以后可以.

选手工琴还是谨慎为上,尤其就国内的经济状况来说(联想起前些日子,坛中某琴友要死要活的AA70,非常同情,毕竟我们大多数还不是富的一掷千金)

好点的思路是,创造条件,试弹中意品牌,留意经年的评价(很主观),能碰到各个时间段的琴更好,聆听充分开声后(一般的思路是1-2年,个人以为时间更长一些更好)的琴音,如合乎自己的爱好,琴师的一贯水平稳定,

该出手是就出手,风风火火闯九州 :D

[ 本帖最后由 deluxnet 于 2006-4-21 14:21 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-21 14:43:21 | 显示全部楼层
如果没有试弹的机会, 选便宜的手工琴比较保险的还是Ramirez R1或R2, YAMAHA GC 21/31/41, 不会物超所值, 但比较保险.
琴主在Las Vegas, 正好Las Vegas三重奏组也在Vegas搞演出, 他们的leader俺也认识, 所以不如冬天淡季买便宜机票带住宿去一趟,  看看琴再说 - 就怕忍不住又把钱输光了.
俺第一次去Vegas参加DevCon时住在Mandalay Bay从老虎机里抠出来100多块, 又在轮盘上搞了100多块, 不知道见好就收, 晚上参加了Microsoft/Intel出钱的buffet和rap音乐会, 出来继续赌, 一口气输了4/5百......
去年第二次去, 先路过Reno赚了点,到了Vegas又赔回去......
俺工薪阶层穷啊, 苦啊! 看看Ramirez最便宜的音乐会琴也要$5000/6000......

[ 本帖最后由 cyberninja 于 2006-4-21 14:46 编辑 ]
发表于 2006-4-21 17:36:59 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,cyberninja兄还是个大赌鬼呀?没事输钱老婆都不说,却卡你买琴呀?!
等见了此琴一定给兄弟们好好介绍一下才好呀!

[ 本帖最后由 cyberninja 于 2007-3-29 08:24 编辑 ]
发表于 2006-4-22 04:54:16 | 显示全部楼层
cyberninja 建议你不要考虑这个琴,你可以去guitar salon的论坛里面搜索一下
我记得曾经在里面看到一个thread 里面是实际买的几个人的评价,说声音还算美,但是音量太小,polish太厚,而且setup very poorly。特别不要考虑spruce 面板的。
这个价格不可能买到巴西玫瑰木的,可是网站上面却说是的,其实据说是南美玫瑰木,但是不是巴西玫瑰木,就这一点就可以看出他们不够厚道。还是买稍微有点名气的吧。
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-22 09:27:17 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 math 于 2006-4-22 04:54 发表
cyberninja 建议你不要考虑这个琴,你可以去guitar salon的论坛里面搜索一下
我记得曾经在里面看到一个thread 里面是实际买的几个人的评价,说声音还算美,但是音量太小,polish太厚,而且setup very poorly。特 ...

Thanks!
可能还是名牌安全些- 这个价位上的Ramirez R2应该不错.
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