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Ramirez新产品S1评价及试听(转贴自权威杂志Acoustic Guitar)

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发表于 2006-6-15 01:00:03 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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Ramirez新产品S1评价及试听(转贴自权威杂志Acoustic Guitar)
作者:P Francis,

see http://www.acousticguitar.com/article/158/158,6778,NEWGEAR-1.asp

When José Ramírez opened his guitar shop in Madrid, Spain, in 1882, it’s unlikely he imagined that, a century later, the Ramírez family name would connote, for many, the highest of quality in handcrafted classical guitars. Since then, the reins of the Ramírez company have been passed down through the collective hands of José’s sons and grandchildren. Classical guitar luminaries such as Andrés Segovia and Christopher Parkening have done much to boost the reputation of Ramírez concert guitars, but the company has been selling a line of student models for decades, as well. We had a chance to check out the latest introduction to the Ramírez student series—its least expensive student model and, notably, a guitar designed specifically for the US guitar market—the S1.

Flawless Joinery, Superb Finish

The S1 comes with a solid European spruce top and back and sides of laminated mongoy which is similar to rosewood though it is generally brighter sounding. The S1 also has a Honduran cedar neck, an ebony fretboard, and Van Gent gold-plated tuners. As for fit and finish, the S1 we reviewed was clean as a whistle. It had flawless joinery, Spanish-heel construction, a superbly applied lacquer finish, and a first-rate fret job and setup that made the guitar ready to play right out of the case. While the S1’s appearance is conservative, the highly figured back and sides are eye catching, and its yellow spruce top is complemented nicely by a traditional-style rosette in forest green, crimson, and black.

Quick Response, Comfortable Neck

Simply put, the S1 has a speedy response and is a pleasure to play. While some spruce-top guitars have a stiff right-hand feel, the S1 definitely did not. Rather, it offered a supple and lightning-fast response that was immensely satisfying—my right hand didn’t have to work hard at all to get the strings to speak on this guitar. The neck felt comfortable and the excellent factory setup made things easy; barring chords wasn’t a chore, and the comfortable action made single-note melody playing a breeze. The 650 mm string length, pretty much standard issue these days, should certainly keep the guitar in most players’ comfort zones.

Brilliant Trebles and Robust Volume

The S1’s most striking quality is its clarity. It has a three-dimensional quality and pronounced midrange emphasis reminiscent of what I’ve heard from good Ramírez concert models. Moving from string to string, from low to high registers, the sound remained clear and even, with ample sustain. Strummed or plucked, the S1’s voice was quite focused and on the bright side, and it projected well. Played with delicacy or pushed hard, sound quality was consistent. The basses were clear, focused, and supported the higher registers without overwhelming them, though at times I wished there were more depth and low-end muscle. The S1’s treble strings have plenty of cutting power and an immediately gratifying “pop,” especially when digging in. In all, the guitar boasts robust volume that should be adequate for most players.

The Wrap

All told, the Ramírez S1 has a lot to offer, including a brighter response than most cedar-top guitars. With a distinctive sound, a combination of focused and brilliant tone, excellent craftsmanship, and great playability, this guitar will appeal to many players. With a suggested retail price of $1,649 (sans case), the S1doesn’t exactly qualify for the “budget guitar” category, and it’s certain to face stiff competition. However, it is the latest in Ramírez’s century-long guitar-building tradition, and it sounds good, too. That alone merits a look.  
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-15 01:51:57 | 显示全部楼层
吉他中国抖音
因为是新产品, 特别便宜, 比R1还便宜, 听声音和评价应该是物超所值
发表于 2006-6-15 05:51:07 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
JOE的RAMIREA是什么型号的?
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-15 08:27:18 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
原帖由 哈哈 于 2006-6-15 05:51 发表
JOE的RAMIREA是什么型号的?

记得他说过弦长664mm(?)所以应该是professional的.

semi-professional的SP和E/R/GH/S都只有标准的650弦长
professional的Elite, Centenario CTS的弦长有664/650可选
Romantica的只有620弦长
至于定制的ramirez, 比如给甲壳虫乐队定指的, 应该是只有650弦长
发表于 2006-6-16 19:03:14 | 显示全部楼层
赶快买一只,要是好,我也想要唉。
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-17 00:32:39 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 左道 于 2006-6-16 19:03 发表
赶快买一只,要是好,我也想要唉。

俺在ebay上竞价没成功, 见: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI. ... AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
现在已经700多了, 即使现在是最后成交价, 再加美加邮寄费用积压要上750以上, 网上购二手货有一定风险, 所以这个价格俺就放弃了.
俺七月份要去新加坡出差, 可惜来不及回国和大家一聚...

俺可能近期回买只R2, 如果确实好, 会告诉你

[ 本帖最后由 cyberninja 于 2006-6-17 00:37 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-17 04:42:36 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2006-6-17 14:37:12 | 显示全部楼层
外国的琴我想都没有想过。。。哎。。。。
我现在用国产的古典琴我已经很知足了。
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-18 02:49:21 | 显示全部楼层
某些品牌本身已经和吉他的历史和文化融为一体了, hauser, fleta, ramirez....
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-20 02:23:02 | 显示全部楼层

关于Ramirez S1的生产 (hand-made in Raimundo factory)

关于Ramirez S1的生产 (hand-made in Raimundo factory) 转自accoust guitar杂志论坛

The Ramirez S1 is a fairly new model and is made for the U.S. market. It is built for Ramirez by the Raimundo factory in Valencia, Spain. Raimundo also makes all of the R-series guitars for Ramirez as well as making guitars for other "famous" names in addition to what they make under their own name. It's a fairly big operation.
The Cordoba guitars are also made in a factory in Spain but the distributor is reluctant to reveal which one. At one time I believe that some of them at least were made by Alhambra but I think that has changed.
It would be a tough call as whether one or the other has more attention paid to detail, etc. but neither are what knowledgeable players and buyers would consider to be "handmade" guitars in spite of whatever advertising hype you may have read. All guitars, even the very cheapest ones, require hand work in their construction. Just how many pairs of hands are involved and how skilled they are is another story entirely.
Both the Ramirez S1 and the Cordoba are production line instruments as are 99.99% of the Spanish made guitars on the market. They're built to a predetermined set of specs and it's largely the luck of the draw that determines which ones are better than the others of their ilk.
The advertising hype may lead one to think that these guitars are made by Spanish gnomes in little Gepetto workshops but that simply is not the case. Guitars are big business in Spain.
Nearly all of the Spanish factories, both large and small, are capable of turning out a decent product.
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-20 02:28:20 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 cyberninja 于 2006-6-17 00:32 发表

俺在ebay上竞价没成功, 见: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI. ... AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1
现在已经700多了, 即使现在是最后成交价, 再加美加邮寄费 ...

现在拍卖已经是USD900以上了, 二手琴加运费和新琴实际零售价一样了...ebay的二手Ramirez怎么价格都偏贵?
 楼主| 发表于 2006-6-21 07:09:27 | 显示全部楼层
这把二手琴最后以USD $1,425.00 成交, 居然和R2的实际价格一样
见: http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI. ... DME:B:EOIBUAA:CA:11
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