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发表于 2003-7-30 22:07:00 | 显示全部楼层

关于美国琴的··**我认识[原创]

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从弹琴那一天起,我就喜欢美国琴,可能是因为喜欢美国金属音乐的原因。另外一个原因是我喜欢 sunburst 的油漆,美国琴(有点档次的)大多把这一类颜色做的很漂亮(至少我认为),反正老美很喜欢 sunburst。
美国琴普遍比日本的琴体厚大、沉重, alder 用得很普遍(还有不少 basswood 乃至ash、zebrawood),也很喜欢采用不上漆的 maple neck来显示工艺。在琴头上,美国设计师都比日本人更重视(Ibanez的bass最大的问题之一在琴头不是非常好),琴的重量平衡有缺陷(YAMAHA在这平衡一点是日本货里面最好的)。
欧洲乐器对高科技采用的很广泛。什么碳纤维琴头、合成琴颈的异类琴,我觉得离我们太遥远。当然,也有相当多老品牌的传统工艺非常出色,不过在国内实在罕见。他们比美国琴精细,在细节上很容易体现出来。可是他们的细节上太过圆滑就让我感到少了皮实(事实可能不是这样,但是人总是很注意感觉)我从来没有感受到任何一支琴给我的感觉比 Music man Stingray 结实,尽管 Stingray 的打磨不是非常的细腻(我是指相对 Warwick Dolphin)。
我用过YAMAHA,但是换琴是换了现在用的Washburn ,我一直认为是个正确的选择。YAMAHA在高端产品的确有过人之处,可 Washburn 有一个美国货普遍的优点:低高产品的感觉一致!即使它们有天渊的差距,仍然让我从声音里听到一种相通。 Squier 和 Fender 就是这样的(我弹过的也有那么几支)。简言之,就是低端产品不太掉格(可以用效果器做声音弥补)。而且使用寿命长(我和朋友的实践证明)!
当然,总体上讲,美国琴都不是怎么便宜的。可是它们普遍的性价比适中、不高不底。对于不怎么有换琴欲望的朋友,是好选择。
按我的认识,推荐(全是美国公司产品):
¥2000-3000      Squier的中端产品(印尼、墨西哥等地产的高型号) /   OLP 的未返销美国产品  /    Drive 的很多新型号
¥3000-5000      Washburn RB和XB系列低型号  /    墨西哥和日本产的一些 Fender
¥5000-8000      Carvin 的中偏低等琴  /  Epiphone(for les paul lover)  /  US Fender 的一些中级产品  /   Washburn RB 和 M 的大部分型号
¥8000+    按自己喜欢的风格选个高档点的吧!可以用好多年了。
发表于 2003-7-30 22:23:00 | 显示全部楼层
吉他中国抖音
我喜欢 FENDER、WASHBURN。我以前的琴就留了一把 WASHBURN LB20/B 。的确,美国琴的低型号声音很好。他们与高型号的音色的区别就在于音色的细腻程度。至于味道,基本没什么差别。虽然做工有些粗糙(但明显比国产的强多了),不过质量比日产的中档琴还要好。
我最喜欢的FENDER 吉他就是 TELECASTOR 的 SUNBURST(ALBERT COLINS 用的)。不过贝斯我最喜欢 FENDER JAZZ BASS 的红色。
 楼主| 发表于 2003-7-30 22:27:00 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
主要目的是讲我认为和大家最接近的一些美国琴,至于 Rickenbacker ,Alambic ,B.C.Rich这样的,喜欢的人我相信已经品位很高了,我还要向这些弟兄们学习呢!
发表于 2003-7-30 22:39:00 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
BC RICH 也有300美圆的低档琴啊!
 楼主| 发表于 2003-7-30 22:46:00 | 显示全部楼层
韩国产的吧?可是它的名气主要在于高级产品咯。;0)
发表于 2003-7-30 22:49:00 | 显示全部楼层
是啊,最早 BC RICH 都是做一些一体的 STRATCASTOR。
 楼主| 发表于 2003-7-30 23:20:00 | 显示全部楼层
前面有一个笔误,在¥5000-8000里面把 Washburn MB seri.写成 M seri.了!向读者道歉!
发表于 2003-7-31 07:15:00 | 显示全部楼层
m13 可是10000元都难拿下。哈哈。
 楼主| 发表于 2003-7-31 16:39:00 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2003-7-31 16:43:00 | 显示全部楼层
别拽鸟(鹰)语,想顶就说。
 楼主| 发表于 2003-7-31 18:01:00 | 显示全部楼层
汉语叫:顶!
发表于 2003-7-31 18:35:00 | 显示全部楼层
是啊是啊,这肯定能成为精华贴!
发表于 2003-7-31 19:51:00 | 显示全部楼层
总体上讲在美国买美国琴是便宜的.¥8000就有一支musicman,国内一定过万.
 楼主| 发表于 2003-7-31 20:09:00 | 显示全部楼层
Stingray 4-trin'  $988.00 in LA
发表于 2003-7-31 20:10:00 | 显示全部楼层
没关税啊。最便宜的 ERNIEBALL/MUSIC MAN  SVB 只要600美圆左右,打折的话,实际不到400美圆就能买到了!
 楼主| 发表于 2003-7-31 20:10:00 | 显示全部楼层
Drive 在国内很少,但比美国贵50%
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 01:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
因父、及子、及圣神之名。阿门!


顶顶!
发表于 2003-8-1 04:15:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用may在2003-7-31 19:51:00的发言:
总体上讲在美国买美国琴是便宜的.¥8000就有一支musicman,国内一定过万.


no, you are wrong.. to buy a guitar or bass in us is more expensive than to buy in China.  for example, my friend bought a jackson sl2h in China, only 14000 ren min bi, exchange to us dollar is about 1700 us dollars. U know in us how much is that?  2280 us dollars!! Both of them are all black colour, the really same one.
As you said, it is cheap to buy a musical instrument in us, I think the reason is the colour of that guitar which is cheap you considered. because different coloured guitar has different price, and this difference is rather fuck'in huge! for prs guitar, the royal blue's price is more expensive than normal colour, such like black, wine red. the difference is about 600 us bucks!
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 12:11:00 | 显示全部楼层
mostly I think ur friend was lucky! the price that u said in US may be the factory's list price or somethin' like that.so it could be dear. e.g. a epiphone g400 at the factory list price is not cheap ,but when I saw it in south american music L.A.(down town near tower custom shop) it is just half the list price'n all colors were the same.
and another reason for ur friend to bought a Jackson guitar in China cheaper than  in US probably 'cos that was a Japan-made one ,and the US price was tax-includin' .ur friend might got a smuggled one ,so that could be cheaper. to buy Japanese guitars in US is not much cheaper than in China.



发表于 2003-8-1 13:49:00 | 显示全部楼层
在美国买的都是美产,众所周知美国劳动力的价值高。而在中国买的确实有些是美产的还比在美国便宜,那么我就怀疑在美国买的是否被商人赚了更多的钱,因为美国网站上标价确实比中国的进货价格贵。
一般来讲,带关税的会比较贵。
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 15:20:00 | 显示全部楼层
感谢斑竹给的精华,不过怎么跑到电吉他的硬件栏里头去了,我是专门写 bassguitar 的
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 15:23:00 | 显示全部楼层
感谢斑竹给的精华,不过怎么跑到电吉他的硬件栏里头去了,我是专门写 bassguitar 的
发表于 2003-8-1 15:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
下午在学校,打不了中文,见凉。
上面的朋友说的对,在美国买日本琴确实也很贵。但是网站上的价格,水分很大,只是报价
发表于 2003-8-1 18:13:00 | 显示全部楼层
是啊,是这样的。
发表于 2003-8-1 18:52:00 | 显示全部楼层
yes of course finishing (not color, buddy) is an element to affect the pricing of a guitar or a bass but it won't have a significantly huge difference on price just because of the finishing. you need to consider wood, pick up, hardware and so on.
and also consider this: if in china the selling price is cheaper than in U.S then why bother to export to china and why not selling them locally? just a simple economic theory.
you can't get a brand new MM sterling bass for RMB $8000 in china for sure. as for those 'deluxe' basses like sadosky, ken smith, larkland, spector.....thses basses regional selling price must have a great different between u.s and china.
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 19:10:00 | 显示全部楼层
姑娘,这个小问题就不用争论了。
发表于 2003-8-1 19:21:00 | 显示全部楼层
其实,还拿MUSIC MAN来讲,MUSIC MAN 授权中国香港生产的 OLP,在美国卖的比中国要贵,说到底,还是关税问题。
发表于 2003-8-1 19:43:00 | 显示全部楼层
are you sure olp is made in hk? i am from hk but i never heard about it, can you give me some web site so i can get get some infromation?
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 19:47:00 | 显示全部楼层
search on google
发表于 2003-8-1 19:50:00 | 显示全部楼层
TO MISS MAY,
YOU CAN GO TO TOM LEE MUSIC AND ASK ABOUT IT。
发表于 2003-8-1 19:57:00 | 显示全部楼层
以下是引用may在2003-8-1 18:52:00的发言:
yes of course finishing (not color, buddy) is an element to affect the pricing of a guitar or a bass but it won't have a significantly huge difference on price just because of the finishing. you need to consider wood, pick up, hardware and so on.
and also consider this: if in china the selling price is cheaper than in U.S then why bother to export to china and why not selling them locally? just a simple economic theory.
you can't get a brand new MM sterling bass for RMB $8000 in china for sure. as for those 'deluxe' basses like sadosky, ken smith, larkland, spector.....thses basses regional selling price must have a great different between u.s and china.




man, I can not get ur idea very well... say mandarin please.......
"and also consider this: if in china the selling price is cheaper than in U.S then why bother to export to china and why not selling them locally? just a simple economic theory. "

I can not understand either, the expensive price in US maybe beacuse of the gain and tax. Man, don't you think the dealers in US are not normal human being? they are not charitarian. and the heavy price is another factor
发表于 2003-8-1 20:02:00 | 显示全部楼层
but the problem is i am not in hk now i am in china......it is unlikely to have a bass industry in hk for the high labour and high land rent. oh.. econ again......
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 20:07:00 | 显示全部楼层
sounds quite right!
发表于 2003-8-1 20:12:00 | 显示全部楼层
i am sorry to hear that. and, maybe i am wrong. i have visited the olp's official web and the tom lee music's just now, and i can't find it or something about it.
i heard it from my friend who dealt olp guitars and basses in zhengzhou last year. he had told me the olp guitars and basses was made in h.k. i belived it. so... i am sorry and i think i am wrong in this word.




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发表于 2003-8-1 20:12:00 | 显示全部楼层
to Mr.King
sorry it takes time for me to type in chinese, please forgive for using english..
i am not an econmist, actually i failed this subject..., i am not trying to argue with you , what i wanna point out is that us sells cheaper bass than china does. that is.
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-1 20:18:00 | 显示全部楼层
if u choose a right time(such as Jul. 4th or x'mas) and right place(mostly i mean big cities) u can have a really low price. that's wat i have learnt in us.
 楼主| 发表于 2003-8-2 19:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
对了,谁知道 ARIA 的代理是哪的?
发表于 2003-8-2 20:54:00 | 显示全部楼层
在广告上看过,忘了。
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