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发表于 2009-3-17 10:42:01 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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看到有个帖子讨论激烈,俺也来说话!关于拾音器原理,GC上太多人有误解!

现在的电吉他拾音器基本都是电磁式的,不是振动式(话筒、电箱琴拾音器)的,所以只有“改变磁场”的振动,才能被拾音器拾取,进而输出!!

电吉他拾音器拾音原理:拾音器的永磁体提供恒定磁场,使包饶在磁体周围的线圈内存在稳定磁力线,顺磁性材料(铁、钴、镍及其合金等)的琴弦在磁体上方振动时,对此磁场产生足够大的扰动,进而改变了线圈内的磁通量,于是在拾音器输出端产生感应电动势,当拾音器与效果器或音箱形成闭合回路,感应电流随之产生。

以上原理依据:高中物理——楞次定律。
楞次定律:感应电流的磁场总是要阻碍引起感应电流的磁通量的变化。
解析:当闭合回路中的磁通量发生变化,会在此闭合回路中产生感应电流,此感应电流生成的磁场方向与“发生变化的磁场”方向相反!

这个感应电流就是拾音器的输出电流,但!前提必须是拾音器的输出端形成回路!否则,拾音器输出端只有感应电动势,导线内没有感应电流!


GC里好多人认为是琴弦切割磁力线导致了拾音器的输出,这是不对的,琴弦切割了磁力线是没错,可它并没有接入拾音器的闭合回路,所以琴弦里没有感应电流,只在琴弦两端有感应电动势产生!

木头的振动能被拾音器拾取吗?!不能!或者说可以忽略不计!因为木头不是顺磁性材料,它与拾音器的相对位移不会对拾音器磁场产生足够大的扰动,所以木头再好,它本身的振动不会被拾音器拾取。

但!木头的作用绝对是非常大的,因为,它会影响琴弦的振动,琴体、琴颈木料选材、加工,会决定琴弦的振动模式,为什么呢?用一种极端放大的比喻:一把高碳钢做琴体、琴颈的吉他,一把软木做琴体、琴颈的吉他,一把橡胶……      这些吉他的音色、延音会有怎样区别?不用做实验对照了吧?


认为木头对音色影响不大的人要说了:“那好,密度相近的木头,对琴弦振动的影响很小吧!”
没错,是很小,但,已经足以让人区分了!
不要小瞧这一点点区别,在乐器上,频段成分的一点点细微变化,往往就是其价值的体现!
良好的、有目的的、富有经验的电吉他琴体、琴颈木料选材、加工,就是为了得到“取悦人耳”或“独具个性”的频率成分!

参考人体生理学与声学得知:人耳对语音频段的敏感度非常高!其频率成分的细微变化很容易被听者区分!
比较直观的体现:等响度曲线图。

个人认为:中频是电吉他的灵魂!!(有批评的希望提出理论依据,如果在理,虚心接受!)

还有个问题,就是有人问:“为什么敲击琴体或者对着拾音器大声喊会在音箱里有反应呢?”这个吗~~很简单!还是那个原理,不管敲击琴体还是对着拾音器大喊,都会产生振动,高张力的琴弦加上琴体的良好共振会放大你发出的振动,使之反映于琴弦,进而被拾音器捕捉到!

说了好多,大家有不同意见欢迎讨论,请!
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发表于 2009-3-17 12:25:00 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
发表于 2009-3-17 12:28:58 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
把手表放在琴弦上 就能当节拍器了
发表于 2009-3-17 12:33:18 | 显示全部楼层
那手表防磁吗?
发表于 2009-3-17 12:36:51 | 显示全部楼层

涨知识了
发表于 2009-3-17 13:02:09 | 显示全部楼层
不错,不错,又学到东西了。这是个好贴,顶个!
发表于 2009-3-17 13:34:05 | 显示全部楼层
和法拉第老爷爷没关系吗
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-17 13:39:11 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Oo2 于 2009-3-17 13:34 发表
和法拉第老爷爷没关系吗


原理部分,就楞次定律那块最直白,能解释得到位
至于电磁感应,左右手定则,那主要是判断电流方向和导线受力方向的~~
发表于 2009-3-17 13:55:33 | 显示全部楼层
分析的很到位,这下那些凭一句话就把别人观点说死的人可以到一边凉快去了
发表于 2009-3-17 14:08:17 | 显示全部楼层
个人认为:中频是电吉他的灵魂!!(有批评的希望提出理论依据,如果在理,虚心接受!)

这个说到心里去了,我也非常喜欢中频,穿透力强有一种吟唱的感觉。

[ 本帖最后由 zb730917 于 2009-3-17 14:09 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-3-17 14:17:35 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 2009-3-17 14:47:59 | 显示全部楼层
The Secrets of Electric Guitar PickupsBy Helmuth E. W. Lemme
Update: February 25, 2009
An electric bass or guitar's sound depends greatly on its pickups. There are lengthy discussions between musicians about the advantages and disadvantages of different models, and for someone who has no knowledge of electronics the subject may seem to be very complicated. Electrically, though, pickups are fairly easy to understand - so this article will examine the connection between electrical characteristics and sound.
I am sorry to say that most pickup manufacturers spread misleading information on their products, in order to make more money and to agitate their competitors. So some corrections of facts will be necessary. I am not affiliated with any manufacturer.
There are two basic pickup types, magnetic pickups and piezoelectric pickups. The latter type work with all kinds of strings (steel, nylon, or gut). Magnetic pickups work only with steel strings, and consist of magnets and coils. Singlecoil pickups are sensitive to magnetic fields generated by transformers, fluorescent lamps, and other sources of interference, and are prone to pick up hum and noise from these sources. Dual coil or "humbucking" pickups use two specially configured coils to minimize this interference. Because these coils are electrically out of phase, common-mode signals (i.e. signals such as hum that radiate into both coils with equal amplitude) cancel each other.
The arrangement of the magnets is different for different pickups. Some types have rod or bar magnets inserted directly in the coils, while others have magnets below the coils, and cores of soft iron in the coils. In many cases these cores are screws, so level differences between strings can be evened out by screwing the core further in or out. Some pickups have a metal cover for shielding and protection of the coils, others have a plastic cover that does not shield against electromagnetic interference, and still others have only isolating tape for protecting the wire.
The magnetic field lines flow through the coil(s) and a short section of the strings. With the strings at rest, the magnetic flux through the coil(s) is constant. Pluck a string and the flux changes, which will induce an electric voltage in the coil. A vibrating string induces an alternating voltage at the frequency of vibration, where the voltage is proportional to the velocity of the strings motion (not its amplitude). Furthermore, the voltage depends on the string's thickness and magnetic permeability, the magnetic field, and the distance between the magnetic pole and the string.
There are so many pickups on the market that it is difficult to get a comprehensive overview. In addition to the pickups that come with an instrument, replacement pickups - many of them built by companies that do not build guitars - are also available. Every pickup produces its own sound; one may have a piercing metallic quality, and another a warm and mellow sound. To be precise: A pickup does not "have" a sound, it only has a "transfer characteristic". It transfers the sound material that it gets from the strings and alters it, every model in its own fashion. For instance: Mount the same Gibson humbucker on a Les Paul and on a Super 400 CES: you will hear completely different sounds. And the best pickup is useless when you have a poor guitar body with poor strings. The basic rule is always: garbage in - garbage out!
Replacement pickups allow the guitarist to change sounds without buying another instrument (within the limitations of body and strings, of course). Different pickups also have different output voltages. High output models can make it easier to overdrive amplifiers to produce a dirty sound, while low output models tend to produce a more clean sound. The output voltage of most pickups varies between 100 mV and 1 V RMS.
Unlike other transducers that have moving parts (microphones, speakers, record player pickups etc.), magnetic guitar pickups have no moving parts - the magnetic field lines change, but they have no mass. So evaluating pickups is much easier than with other transducers. Although the frequency responses of nearly all available magnetic pickups are nonlinear (which creates the differences in sound), they don't have quite as many adjacent peaks and notches in their frequency response as for example a speaker. In fact, the frequency response can be smooth and simple enough to be easily described with a mathematical formula.
The Pickup as CircuitFrom an electrical standpoint, a magnetic guitar pickup is equivalent to the circuit in Fig. 1.

Fig. 1. Electrical equivalent circuit of a magnetic pickup
A real coil can be described electrically as an ideal inductance L in series with an Ohmic resistance R, and parallel to both a winding capacitance C. This replacement circuit can be used as a first approximation. It is a bit simplified compared to the reality but quite useful for the beginning. The finer details are explained later. For a humbucker, two of these circuits have to be connected in series. Since both coils (with precise manufacturing) have practically identical properties, you may use the same simple replacement circuit for the electrical examination. You then have to use twice the values for the inductance and the resistance and half of the value for the capacitance as compared to one coil.
Many people measure only the resistance and think they know something about a pickup. But this is a fundamental error. By far the most important quantity is the inductance, measured in Henries. It depends on the number of turns, the magnetic material in the coil, the winding density and the overall geometry of the coil. The resistance and the capacitance don´t have much influence and can be neglected in a first approximation.
When the strings are moving, an AC voltage is induced in the coil. So the pickup acts like an AC source with some attached electric components (Fig. 2).
Fig. 2. A pickup as an audio voltage source plus second-order lowpassThe external load consists of resistance (the volume and tone potentiometer in the guitar, and any resistance to ground at the amplifier input) and capacitance (due to the capacitance between the hot lead and shield in the guitar cable). The cable capacitance is significant and must not be neglected. This arrangement of passive components forms a so-called second-order low-pass filter (Fig. 3).

Fig. 3. A pickup plus real external load (pots, cable, and amp input resistance)
Thus, like any other similar filter, it has a cut-off frequency fg; this is where the response is down 3 dB (which means half power). Above fg, the response rolls off at a 12 dB per octave rate, and far below fg, the attenuation is zero. There is no low frequency rolloff; however, a little bit below fg there is an electrical resonance between the inductance of the pickup coil and the capacitance of the guitar cable. This frequency, called fmax, exhibits an amplitude peak. The passive low-pass filter works as a voltage amplifier here (but doesn't amplify power because the output current becomes correspondingly low, as with a transformer). Fig. 4 shows the typical contour of a pickup's frequency response.

Fig. 4. Fundamental frequency response of a magnetic pickup.
Position and height of the peak vary from type to type

If you know the resonant frequency and height of the resonant peak, you know about 90 percent of a pickup's transfer characteristics; these two parameters are the key to the "secret" of a pickup's sound (some other effects cannot be described using this model, but their influence is less important).
What all this means is that overtones in the range around the resonant frequency are amplified, overtones above the resonant frequency are progressively reduced, and the fundamental vibration and the overtones far below the resonant frequency are reproduced without alteration.
How Resonance Affects SoundThe resonant frequency of most available pickups in combination with normal guitar cables lies between 2,000 and 5,000 Hz. This is the range where the human ear has its highest sensitivity. A quick subjective correlation of frequency to sound is that at 2,000 Hz the sound is warm and mellow, at 3,000 Hz brilliant or present, at 4,000 Hz piercing, and at 5,000 Hz or more brittle and thin. The sound also depends on the height of the peak, of course. A high peak produces a powerful, characteristic sound; a low peak produces a weaker sound, especially with solid body guitars that have no acoustic body resonance. The height of the peak of most available pickups ranges between 1 and 4 (0 to 12 dB), it is dependent on the magnetic material in the coil, on the external resistive load , and on the metal case (without casing it is higher; many guitarists prefer this).
The resonant frequency depends on both the inductance L (with most available pickups, between 1 and 10 Henries) and the capacitance C. C is the sum of the winding capacitance of the coil (usually about 80 - 200 pF) and the cable capacitance (about 300 - 1,000 pF). Since different guitar cables have different amounts of capacitance, it is clear that using different guitar cables with an unbuffered pickup will change the resonant frequency and hence the overall sound.
There are some books that deal especially with electric guitar pickups. They pay much attention to the resistance and the magnet materials. But the resistance is the least interesting magnitude of all. And statements like "Alnico 5 sounds like this, Alnico 2 sounds like that" are completely misleading. Many "pickup experts" have never heard the term "inductance". What you find in those books is an obsolete "geocentric" view on pickups that will never work.
The integral "heliocentric" view on pickups: Pickup, pots in the guitar, cable capacitance, and amp input impedance are an interactive system that must not be split up into its parts. If you analyze the properties of the parts separately you will never understand how the system works as a whole. The sound material a pickup receives from the strings is not flavoured by the pickup alone but by the complete system. This includes the guitar cable.
Another cable, another sound! This is a shame but it is true. You can easily check it up. A few pickup manufacturers know that fact but they conceal it. The majority seems to be totally ignorant.
The influence of eddy currentsAs mentioned earlier, this overview has been simplified to make it easier to understand. Up to this point, it has not taken into account the influence of eddy currents in metal parts. Such currents appear wherever an alternating magnetic field flows through electrically conductive parts. These parts are mostly the cores of magnetic coils ?that is, either permanent magnets (in which the currents are relatively weak) oder soft iron parts such as screws or fixed slugs (where the currents are stronger). Strong eddy currents can also occur in metal covers; these currents vanish when the covers are removed. To some degree, the currents?strength depends on the dimensions of the metal parts as well as their constituent materials. The decisive factor, however, is the parts?specific resistivity, which is highly variable. There are thousands of iron and steel core types, whose properties can differ widely, resulting in variable frequency transmission characteristics. Metal covers are made of either brass (copper/zinc) or German Silver (copper/zinc/nickel); the latter has a higher specific resistivity and is therefore less conductive to eddy currents. Plastic covers are not conductive. To a lesser extent, eddy currents can also occur in base plates as well as in metal magnets located underneath the coils.
Eddy currents have a threefold effect: First, they reduce resonance superelevation, sometimes to the point of eliminating it completely; secondly, they steepen the slope of frequency transmissions at a height far exceeding the resonant frequency, where 18 dB/octave slopes can be measured. This slope is inversely proportional to the threefold power of the frequency. Thirdly, they cause the frequency transmission curve to drop slightly below the resonant frequency, as shown in Fig. 5:

Fig. 5. Transmission characteristics resulting from strong eddy currents
There have been attempts to measure eddy currents by attaching resistors to the replacement circuit, in parallel to the coil or to the terminals. This method has not been successful, however, for although it does reduce resonance superelevation, it fails to achieve the other two above-mentioned results. A much more effective approach is to divide the coil in two, and to connect only one of the two parts via resistor (R2). The point of division is "virtual" ?that is, it does not actually exist, or rather, it cannot be measured directly. This point does not correspond directly to the point at which the two coils in a humbucker are connected; this also holds true for single-coil pickups that have been strongly damped against eddy currents (such as Gibson P90 or DiMarzio "Fat Strat"). The two parts of the coil do not have to be the same size. For practical purposes, identical sizes can be used as a point of departure, but there is no need to keep them identical. The extended replacement circuit is shown in Fig. 6:

Fig. 6. Replacement circuit for a pickup with eddy currents
When you rearrange this setup into an AC signal source by attaching a passive filter, you obtain the configuration shown in Fig. 7:

Fig. 7. Pickup with eddy currents as signal source with attached lowpass filter 3
Altering Pickup CharacteristicsBasically, there are three different ways to change a guitar's sound as it relates to pickups:
1. Install new pickups. This method is most common, but also the most expensive.
2. Change the coil configuration of the built in pickups. This is possible with nearly all humbucking pickups. Normally, both coils are switched in series. Switching them in parallel cuts the inductance to a quarter of the initial value, so the resonant frequency (all other factors including the guitar cable being equal) will be twice as high. Using only one of the coils halves the inductance, so the resonant frequency will increase by the factor of the square root of 2 (approximately 1.4). In both cases, the sound will have more treble than before. Many humbucking pickups have four output wires - two for each coil - so different coil combinations can be tried without having to open the pickup. Some single coil pickups have a coil tap to provide a similar flexibility.
3. Change the external load. This method is inexpensive but can be very effective. With only a little expense for electronic components, the sound can be shaped within wide limits. Standard tone controls lower the resonant frequency by connecting a capacitor in parallel with the pickup (usually through a variable resistor to give some control over how much the capacitor affects the pickup). Therefore, one way to change the sound is to replace the standard tone control potentiometer with a rotary switch that connects different capacitors across the pickup (a recommended range is 470 pF to 10 nF). This will give you much more sound variation than a standard tone control (Fig. 8).

Fig. 8. Changing the frequency response with
different external capacitors parallel to a pickup coil

These rotary switches are commercially available now, handmade by the author, embedded in epoxy resin (Fig. 9).

Fig. 9. Rotary switch with a selection of different capacitors, embedded in epoxy resin
Also, adding an internal buffer amplifier can isolate the pickup from some of the loading effects of cable capacitance, thus giving a brighter sound with higher resonance frequency and higher peak.
The table correlates some well-known pickups and their electrical characteristics. However, note that pickups are not precision devices and that old pickups in particular (eg. Fender and Gibson pickups of the fifties) vary so much that almost each one sounds different from the next. Thus, the values of the resonant frequency in the table are rounded to the nearest 100 Hz. Also note that peaks become very flat and large below 1,000 Hz. As the height of the resonance peak depends on the external load resistance (volume pot, tone pot and amplifier input resistance), lowering this load (e.g. by switching resistors in parallel to the pickup) lowers the height. For raising the height of the peak, the load resistance must be increased. In many cases this is only possible by installing a FET or other high-impedance preamp in the guitar.
See table: Resonant frequencies of some well-know pickups for various parallel capacitors
4. Install an active electronic circuit that acts as a second-order low-pass filter. This will give you the possibility to adjust the resonant frequency and the resonance height continuously with potentiometers, instead of only in discrete steps. So you can imitate the sound characteristics of many different guitar and bass pickups. These circuits are called „State Variable Filter". The first instrument manufacturer to apply this was Alembic since the seventies, later it was copied by others. Completely mounted circuit boards of this kind, fitting into most common instruments, are available from the author (Fig. 10). They need a 9 V battery for supply, and on some instruments some space inside the body that must be routed.

Fig.10. Active electronic circuit that acts as a second-order low-pass- filter and imitates the sound characteristics of many different guitar and bass pickups
Measuring Frequency ResponseTo precisely measure a pickup's frequency response, it would be necessary to measure the vibration of the string and compare it with the output voltage at every frequency. In practice, this is very difficult to do. An alternative to moving the string is to subject the pickup to an outside magnetic field, generated by a transmitting coil. This induces a voltage by changing the magnetic flux through the coils. As the induced voltage in the pickup is proportional to the variation of the magnetic field with time, the driving current through the coil must be inversely proportional to the frequency.
A sine wave voltage feeds an integrator circuit to produce an output voltage that is inversely proportional to frequency. This signal then goes into a power amplifier and then to the transmitting coil that actually couples the signal into the pickup. The coil can consist of a pickup bobbin wound with about 50 turns of enamelled copper wire (approximately 0.5 mm, or 0.02 inches in diameter, no. 24). The exact value is not critical. The coil must be driven with a constant current independent of its impedance. It is mounted above the pickup so that it radiates its magnetic field into the pickup coil(s) as fully as possible. With single coil pickups, the axes must be in line with each other; with humbucking pickups, the axis of the transmitting coil must be perpendicular to the axes of the pickup's coils (Fig. 11).

Fig.11. A transmitting coil radiates its magnetic AC field into the pickup coils. So you can measure the frequency response easily
To plot the response, vary the sine wave frequency from about 100 Hz to 10 kHz and measure the pickup's output voltage with a broad-band multimeter or oscilloscope. The absolute value is not important; what matters is the position of the resonance peak and its height above the overall amplitude at lower frequencies. The effect of different load capacitors (cables) and resistors (pots) is easy to examine with this setup. One of the main advantages of this measuring method is that no modifications on the guitar are necessary, and the pickups need not be removed from the guitar.
This complete measuring arrangement is now available as a commercial instrument. With this, you can easily see what a pickup does with the sound material it gets from strings and body. This is the end of wandering around in the fog. The Pickup Analyzer© (Fig. 12) determines the frequency response, it shows which frequencies are emphasized and which are attenuated - objectively, independent of strings and body, with mounted or loose pickups. How it works: A transmitting coil radiates an alternating magnetic field into the coil(s) of the pickup. While the frequency is varied over the entire audio range, the instrument measures the output voltage of the pickup. The external load conditions can be varied over a wide range: 11 capacitors from 40 pF to 10 nF and four resistors from 125 kOhm to 1 MOhm. Also, the combination of a pickup with a guitar cable can be measured, the influence of different cables on the response is plain to see. Furthermore, it is possible to analyze any modifications on a pickup, such as removing the metal cover or exchanging the magnets for others, or technical defects like short-circuit windings inside the coil. Sample variations of the pickup series can be recognized quickly, deviants can be identified and sorted out. So reclaiming from the manufacturer will have a better chance. The Pickup Analyzer© saves time in development and repairs. Main users are pickup manufacturers, high quality guitarmakers and renowned music shops.

Fig.12. The "Pickup Analyzer"© - the first commercially available measuring instrument for the frequency resonponse of magnetic pickups.
In its first version the Pickup Analyzer worked as a stand-alone device. The figures of frequency and response were read on two seven-segment LED displays. The new second version (Fig. 13) is used in combination with a PC. It is connected via two audio cables to the sound card which works als digital to analog and analog to digital converter.

Fig. 13. The new PC-coupled Pickup Analyzer©
If you run the measuring software you will get the response curves of the pickup on the PC screen. You can easily store it and print it, or send it to another person by e-mail. Fig. 14 and 15 show some results.
Fig. 14 shows the frequency response of a 1972 Fender Stratocaster Pickup with constant capacitive load (470 pF) and eight different Ohmic loads from 10 kOhms to 10 MOhms. It can be seen how different values of pots in the guitar influence the height of the resonance peak. With 47 kOhms or less the peak vanishes.

Fig. 14. Response of a Fender Stratocaster pickup with 470 pF load capacitance and different Ohmic loads
Fig. 15 shows the frequency response of the same pickup, now with constant resistive load and eight different load capacitors from 47 pF to 2200 pF. The resonance frequency and so the tonal characteristics can be easily changed by varying the load capacitance.

Fig. 15. Response of a Fender Stratocaster pickup (1972) with 10 MOhms ohmic load and eight different capacitive loads
For comparison Fig. 16 shows the response of an inferior pickup. This is a Hoyer built around 1970, looking like a humbucker but with only one coil inside, capacitive load 470 pF, five different resistive loads. With the 250 k pots used in this guitar there is no more resonance because of very strong eddy currents in the metal parts. The sound is dull.

Fig. 16. Response of an inferior pickup.
Some commentsThe measured result is really precise only for single coil pickups. Humbucking pickups have certain notches at high frequencies, because the vibrations of the strings are picked up at two points simultaneously. High overtones, where the peak of the waveform occurs over one pole and the trough (valley) of the wave occurs over the other, can produce cancellations. These notches are at different frequencies for each string and cannot be described with a single curve. For instance, with standard size humbucking pickups, for the deep E string the notch is at about 3,000 Hz, for the A string at 4,000 Hz. For the high strings the notch is far above the cutoff frequency fg and can hardly be heard.
The effect of the sound difference between one coil and two coils with a humbucker is overestimated by far. The main reason for getting more treble with one coil is that the resonant frequency has been raised because of the halving of the inductance. Sensing the strings at only one point instead of two also has an effect, but this is much smaller. It can only be compared when the resonant frequency is held constant while switching.
Furthermore, this measuring method does not take into consideration the effect of different output voltages of different pickups. In the „crunch" range of a tube amp a loud pickup produces a different tone than a low volume pickup, even when their transfer characteristics are equal. Nevertheless, testing a pickup in this manner gives useful information on its characteristics. With this knowledge, you can find which type of sounds appeal to you the most, and possibly bend and shape the frequency response with external capacitors and resistors to "tune" pickups to your liking (and for the best match to the body and strings).
Finally, the nonlinear distortion of a pickup cannot be measured in this way. It exists, because the relationship between the magnetic flux through the coil(s) and the distance from the magnetic pole to the string follows a hyperbolic curve. So, if the string vibrates in a sine wave (which every harmonic does by itself), additional even harmonics are produced which do not exist in the natural spectrum of the vibration, and as a consequence alter the sound. The resulting distortion depends on the width of the string vibration and can hardly be quantified. The shorter the distance between magnetic pole and string, the stronger it is. This can be heard: With a shorter distance, the sound is more aggressive than with a larger distance. But with too short a distance, the magnets pull the strings, and harmonics are shifted so that they are no longer exact multiples of the fundamental frequency, but a little higher or lower. If this variation is very small, it can sound good and the tone becomes more alive, like with a slight chorus effect. But if it is too large, the sound will be terrible. You will find this problem on many Stratocasters, it is called "Stratitis". The only way to reduce it is to adjust the pickup to be further away from the strings.
© Helmuth E. W. Lemme, Munich, Germany
发表于 2009-3-17 14:50:07 | 显示全部楼层
that's almost every thing about the general ideas of pickup~
发表于 2009-3-17 15:20:39 | 显示全部楼层
这个可以顶~这个真得顶~~~
发表于 2009-3-17 15:24:55 | 显示全部楼层
留名~~~
发表于 2009-3-17 15:29:43 | 显示全部楼层
?????

lz 你没有玩过用吉他听音乐么 你可以把耳机或者手机贴到拾音器上玩一下。
发表于 2009-3-17 16:05:23 | 显示全部楼层
好文
有时间自虐一下给翻出来
发表于 2009-3-17 16:09:15 | 显示全部楼层
要想 熟练掌握知识~~ 请完成下述 回家作业~

http://www.cns.cornell.edu/cipt/ ... Guitar.complete.pdf
发表于 2009-3-17 16:10:10 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵

我自己試過。
不裝琴絃
敲擊琴體或是摩擦鐵導軌拾音器的時候
從音箱里傳出來的琴體振動或是摩擦拾音器的聲音
被真實的還原出來,而且很清晰。

我昨天晚上給我的STRAT調琴橋的時候試驗了一下。
沒有琴絃,隻要改變磁場內的磁通量,就會産生感應電動勢
在閉閤囬路中就有感應電流産生。

我的STRAT的振動非常好,是沼澤白蠟木的琴體,振動好到那種可以不接電直接拿來彈原聲的。
為此,我還把PU倉和后 背彈簧墊上部分衛生紙來減少振動
為啥?
因為你可以在音箱里清楚的聽到彈簧振動的聲音。
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-17 16:25:27 | 显示全部楼层
A pickup does not "have" a sound, it only has a "transfer characteristic".
the best pickup is useless when you have a poor guitar body with poor strings. The basic rule is always: garbage in - garbage out!

个人比较欣赏这两句!!哈哈!都看了~~~老外就是专业!仪器测试,理论基础,都很棒!
也许我该修改下我的观点了:
做工良好、木材优秀的琴是基础,一个让琴弦产生良好振动的基础,而拾音器“transfer”的是很个性化的声音,
做工不好、木料糟糕的琴是难以出好声的!就像文中所说:垃圾进,垃圾出!
发表于 2009-3-17 16:34:31 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵,看語法和寫作習慣就知道他的母語不是英語
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-17 16:39:54 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 陶瓷清爽 于 2009-3-17 16:10 发表
呵呵

我自己試過。
不裝琴絃
敲擊琴體或是摩擦鐵導軌拾音器的時候
從音箱里傳出來的琴體振動或是摩擦拾音器的聲音
被真實的還原出來,而且很清晰。

我昨天晚上給我的STRAT調琴橋的時候試驗了一下。
沒有琴 ...


哈哈!你的琴真的很好!羡慕!~~
我觉得,琴体振动能被音箱真实还原的原理还是那个:通过线圈的磁通量改变了。
至于如何改变的,我没做过实验,不好猜测,但,如果振动了弹簧,别忘了,弹簧也是铁合金,它离拾音器不远,
对拾音器磁场的扰动应该能被拾取(猜测)
发表于 2009-3-17 16:50:44 | 显示全部楼层
[em13]
发表于 2009-3-17 17:14:43 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 vacuum 于 2009-3-17 09:39 发表


哈哈!你的琴真的很好!羡慕!~~
我觉得,琴体振动能被音箱真实还原的原理还是那个:通过线圈的磁通量改变了。
至于如何改变的,我没做过实验,不好猜测,但,如果振动了弹簧,别忘了,弹簧也是铁合金,它离拾 ...


我不研究這個。但是我很清楚好的振動對音色的影響是至關重要的。

但是,再好的琴體,沒有好的PU,從音箱里出來的聲音也是垃圾。

所以,一個都不能少。
发表于 2009-3-17 18:05:03 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 vacuum 于 2009-3-17 16:25 发表
A pickup does not "have" a sound, it only has a "transfer characteristic".
the best pickup is useless when you have a poor guitar body with poor strings. The basic rule is always: garbage in - garba ...



个人赞同这个观点
发表于 2009-3-17 22:54:41 | 显示全部楼层
这个文章我收藏了……
说PU等于MIC的朋友可以安息了……
发表于 2009-3-17 23:02:41 | 显示全部楼层
好牛的帖子
相当很特别在行咯
发表于 2009-3-18 09:32:10 | 显示全部楼层
我也想知道为什么把放音乐的手机贴拾音器上会在音箱里放大  即使把琴弦全部护住捂住 这就不关琴弦振动的事情了吧。。。

那为什么呢
发表于 2009-3-18 09:37:04 | 显示全部楼层
不为什么,说明这个PU不能拾取声音的理论是错的.很能多东西不是政府可以说明白的,大家还是回去实践来求证吧.
 楼主| 发表于 2009-3-18 10:08:57 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 bigbeatle 于 2009-3-18 09:32 发表
我也想知道为什么把放音乐的手机贴拾音器上会在音箱里放大  即使把琴弦全部护住捂住 这就不关琴弦振动的事情了吧。。。

那为什么呢


这位朋友,我没用过手机放琴弦上听歌,因为我的手机太老了,NOKIA2100,放不了歌。
以下原理是我的猜测,有待于高手论证或实验验证:
1.手机的扬声器是电磁式扬声器,其结构就是一块恒定磁体提供恒定磁场,在其上方悬浮音圈(环形导线多圈),音圈与振膜稳定连接。
  当音圈内通过交变电流时(音乐的信号),会产生交变磁场,与恒定磁体的磁场相互作用,进而带动振膜推动空气,发出声音。
  电磁式扬声器的工作原理决定了,其工作过程必然产生与音乐相关的交变磁场,此磁场近距离作用于拾音器,被拾音器拾取很正常。
2.手机的扬声器是压电式的(个人估计,压电式扬声器低音特别不好!不太可能采用!因为B超,彩超的探头一般都是压电陶瓷的,超声啊!如有高手知情,
  请指正!),其结构为压电陶瓷片两个面紧密连接电极,当两端电极存在正负电场时,压电陶瓷片会发生单向形变(收缩、膨胀),外加交变电场时,
  压电陶瓷片即发生与交变电场相关的形变,进而推动空气发声。手机如采用压电式扬声器,播放音乐时也必然会产生与音乐相关的交变电场,
  进而形成交变磁场(电磁波?但估计此种强度的电场与频率不会辐射多远,这也是猜测,待指正!),被拾音器拾取。

[ 本帖最后由 vacuum 于 2009-3-18 10:17 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-3-18 14:06:11 | 显示全部楼层
不只是手机 还包括耳机 喇叭 所有能响的贴着拾音器都能发出声音 包括你用指甲去挠它。。。挠它总没有什么磁力线磁场电场了把。。。-. -
发表于 2009-3-18 14:33:08 | 显示全部楼层
我也想了是不是手机扬声器的磁场问题  但是不确定  期待高人来解答  

而且晚上我回家要试一下对着说话能不能放大  如果说话能放大  说明的确是有MIC的效果 如果不能  就是音源的问题了
发表于 2009-3-20 14:35:03 | 显示全部楼层
http://www.aqdi.com/pickups.htm
对原理有什么不清楚的去看这个帖子。hbk兄弟给的网页!题目是:How do Guitar Pickups Work?
大家看完就算了,别争了。
发表于 2010-3-18 23:02:56 | 显示全部楼层
前天我把我的X-6拆了擦了一遍,在没装弦时我试了一下拾音器,用手敲拾音器音箱没有声音(为了防止弹簧杂音琴的弹簧被我用海绵垫着),用摇把在拾音器上左右晃音箱有反应,说明是电磁线圈遇金属产生的电流。楼上的说对着琴喊音箱有声音应该是在有琴弦的情况下吧?不然应该不会有声的。手机在拾音器上放歌确实能收音,在正上方最有效。我最早的一把合资仿芬吉他中间的拾音器还能收广播呢(幸亏不是前后拾音器) ,其实说白了就是较强的电磁波对拾音器使其产生了电流。
发表于 2010-3-19 10:47:51 | 显示全部楼层
木料的等级是决定音质的

拾音器,木头组合方式,吉他结构,吉他造型,这些决定的是音色趋向。

两个不同范畴的问题。首先就不能混淆。



当然,对于一个乐手来说,谁都希望有一把音质特别优秀,并且音色趋向符合自己喜好的吉他。

但是我们的钱包,往往让我们大多数人只能2选其1。

[ 本帖最后由 GuiterBody 于 2010-3-19 11:00 编辑 ]
发表于 2010-3-19 15:34:38 | 显示全部楼层
好文好文,长知识了~~~
发表于 2010-3-19 17:19:24 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 2010-3-19 19:26:35 | 显示全部楼层
好贴,学习了。
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