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DUMBLE的前世今生

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发表于 2009-9-27 18:45:05 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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受伤感吉普车的启发隆重开出此贴!
但是我对DUMBLE不很了解,只是造个法台,静候JIMIAMPS法师登台说法,让我们一同期待…………
 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-27 18:48:24 | 显示全部楼层
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我先坐沙发上等着,哈哈哈哈…………
发表于 2009-9-28 01:40:31 | 显示全部楼层
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既然你把法台搭起来了,我就先造几张神像大家瞻仰!!

---呼唤——jimiamps 法师降临神台


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下图为John Mayer的设备


       这里有一个Guitar Player杂志- 1985年9月的采访。文章太长了,就不翻了(水平有限,恐翻译有误)感兴趣的朋友自己看吧!呵呵

原文如下:

by Dan Forte

Jackson Brown is wandering the back stage caverns of San Francisco's Cow Palace looking a bit worried. "Where's Lindley?" he asks his road manager [...] "We're onstage in 15 minutes!"

A door at the end of the hallway is seeming blasted open by a torrent of beefy sustained lap steel licks. Inside, Lindley is squatting precariously, his Hawaiian guitar balanced on his knees. Crunching chords and crystal-clear single notes are pour out of a crude-looking amplifier about a foot in front of his face.

"I want this one, Howard," David says to a large man who is smiling like a proud father. "Not this model, not one like this, but this one, OK?"

"It's just a prototype." Howard Dumble points out.

"Fine," nods Lindley. "I'll take it."

David Lindley, of course is notorious for using a vast array of exotic guitars from an instrument collection that number well over 100. But on the road, he uses only one brand of amplifier, a fact that makes Howard Dumble understandably proud. As Lindley told Guitar Player in a July '77 interview, "I've got a lot of little amps, but on the road, I always use Dumble amps because they never break down. We went about getting the sound in those amps by taking an old Fender Deluxe to Howard Dumble and saying, 'We want this, but bigger and louder.' And Howard got the closest of anybody I've heard."

Howard Dumble, 40 [in September of 1985], grew up in Bakersfield, California, and began building transistor radios from scratch at age 12. He took up guitar at 16 (he later did his fair share of studio dates in Hollywood, which included working with songwriter Jim Webb), and in 1965 built a series of amplifiers for Mosrite that were used by the Ventures. An extensive tour backing Buffy Sainte-Marie financed Dumble's first "out of the backyard and into a building" amp shop in 1968, in Santa Cruz, California. The following year, Dumble came out with his Explosion model amplifier (his original prototype still works), which later evolved in the Overdrive Special. His line of amplifiers currently includes seven basic models: the Overdrive, the Steel-String Singer, the Winterland and the Dumbleland for bass and guitar, the rack-mount Phoenix, a no-frills 50-watt Dumbleman, and the Dumblelator--a tube vs. sold-state impedance translator--as well as the Big Tex reverb unit. From the beginning, he has remained a one-man operation, personally building every one of his amplifiers by hand.

In spite of their steep price tags--a standard 100-watt overdrive head sells for $1,925.00; the Steel-String Singer and Dumbleland each go for $5000.00 before options--Dumbles are always in demand, and Howard has his hands full keeping up with orders. Besides Lindley and Browne, the impressive roster of Dumble users includes Larry Carlton, Bonnie Raitt, Graham Nash, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Jay Graydon, Ry Cooder, Tom Verlaine, Eric Johnson, Steve Lukather, Robben Ford, Dean parks, Carlos Rios, The Beach Boys, Christopher Cross, Tiran Porter, Jimmy Haslip, Jerry Miller, Thom Rhotella, Randy California, Terry Haggerty, Rick Vito, Kenny Loggins, and many others.

In discussing what's so special about his amplifiers, Dumble uses aesthetic more than technical terms. "That's the bottom line," he stresses. "It's the emotional influence that's really important; technology is secondary--it's just a vehicle. The idea is to have lots of fun."

Improvisational specialist Henry Kaiser elaborates on what sets the Dumble apart from the rest of the amp crowd: "Number one, you could drop the thing out of a four-story building, replace any tubes that break, and it'll work fine. It does appear to be the most durably built amp possible. Number two, it seems to me that Howard, through a long intuitive working process, tunes the amps and designs by ear so that they're very sophisticated machines for producing a wide variety of tones and distortion colorations. Because of my specific avant-garde bent, I'm really interested in tone and timbre, and I need to have a really wide palette of tonal color available to me, and I've got about four times as many colors available on the Dumble. Any other amp sounds awful to me. I feel terrible if I play anything else--except for a Fender Champ."

In an august '77 Guitar Player feature, the late Lowell George of Little Feat was more succinct. "It's like a Fender made right," he said of his Dumble. "It's the best amp I've ever played through."
Your amps have a reputation for almost never breaking down. How do you build in such durability?

Those are absolute guarded secrets. In fact, if you take the amplifier apart, you can't detect how I do it. I definitely have secrets that make the amp perform and last the way it does. With most companies, it's just a misapplication of technology. you don't have to destroy the product--you don't have to get a Variac and turn it up to 170 volts--to get good results. An extreme amount of attention is paid to every connection. Plus, I found which parts last and which ones don't.

What made you gravitate towards electronics in the first place?

I loved music, for one thing. Music's always been a passion. I used to listen to Les Paul and Mary Ford as a kid. Also, I come from an engineering family; my father developed one of the first automatic transmissions. It wasn't hard to absorb the technology; it was just there to do. I also saw that I could make some bucks at it. I started making small pocket radios from scratch for the kids in school for $5.00 a pop. I was doing real well until one day everybody had one, and there were enough radios in the class that you could hear the local rock station at a small din through all the earpieces. So, the teacher finally busted me.

What inspired you to first build an amp?

I was a junior in high school, and this guy named Jack smith came over and wanted me to build a piece of equipment for the junior baseball association. He said that he had access to a "mountain of parts"--I said OK! We went down to this big warehouse, and there were heaps of parts, so we gleaned as many as we could--all free. We built this huge 200-watt power amplifier so they could announce to nine baseball diamonds. As I understand it, it still works today. Then, Jack and I made some Dual showman-type amps, although we couldn't get Fender transformers--they were very tight about what they'd send you--so we used David Hafler transformers, which made the amp sound quite extraordinary.

Prior to building your own amps, had you taken apart others amps such as Fenders and Gibsons?

I can draw some of the those schematics from memory [laughs]. Of course, I had to absorb other approaches. In fact, my old Fender mods I did in the late '60s were exactly the same as the schematics a lot of the later high-gain amplifiers used.

How did you come to make amps for the Ventures?

I was an 18-year-old kid in school in Bakersfield, and I went to see Semie Moseley, who was the only person I had access to there. I walked in and just bold-faced said, "I've got something that sounds like nothing else. You better hear it." And it flipped him out; he said, "This is the best thing I've ever heard." He offered to go in with me to build 10 amplifiers. He bought the parts and paid me $90.00 a week--for about four weeks, and then I had to work for free. But I still got to build 10 amplifiers on a production basis when I was only a kid. They were called Mosrite amps, but they were my design. Actually, I built 11, so I still have the original one I built. The Ventures played through them and were really interested, but it was a little too much rock for them. They wanted me to go into business with them, but I decided against it, and went back to playing in studios and in rock bands.

Did your early amps have certain qualities lacking in commercially available amps of that period?

Yes, I definitely made sure they had more frequency bandwidth. One thing I noticed about the early guitar amps was that they were real limited, especially in the lower end. But you have to be careful to make sure you still keep the proper midrange and treble response. I found that out early on. You can't build a hi-fi circuit and expect it to be a good guitar amp--it just doesn't work out. you need a whole different response curve. But I did notice that if I put a little more low-end into the preamp circuitry, it was much more tasteful and fun to play.

Once you got started, did a Dumble philosophy evolve?

I try to be flexible. I've always been aware that whatever I make has to be crafted with the best intentions. Never have anything shoddy. Always makes sure that it works and looks perfect. The actual techniques I use to get the sound that I go after have evolved extensively. It's a growing process. That's the toughest thing about staying with one thing. you're always thinking of new ways to do it. Basically, I've kept the Overdrive the same but the other models are open to flexibility.

What changes did the Explosion undergo before it became the Overdrive Special?

The active circuitry changed quite a bit, and the tone circuitry did also. But the concept of processing the signal post preamp stayed the same. Most other high-gain amplifiers use a pre-preamp gain boost, but I broke away from that quite early, in the late '60s. I found that trying to build the signal up before the preamp had a tendency to really overload the preamp, and you got nonharmonic tones and a very unmusical end result. Plus, you ran into a lot of vacuum-tube problems with harmonic's. So, what I wanted to do was get all that wonderful oomph and beautiful sustain and harmonic richness without the electronic troubles.

Were you making what was to become the overdrive before you made the Steel-String Singer?

The Steel-String Singer came later, but I actually started making a series of amplifiers called the Dumbleland in about '66, and I still make them. That was the forerunner of the Steel-String Singer. I didn't change a whole lot about that; it was a design way ahead of its time. It was too much power and too silky clean for people. It's perfect for Stevie Ray, though. He has a hard time playing an Overdrive.

Why is the Overdrive so sensitive?

It's a different kind of signal handling. In the Overdrive, I approach gain levels that are extremely intense; within the linear region, I have a signal gain capability of one million. So if you stuck 10 microvolts in, you'd get 10 volts back. And I do it with stability, and it's still very musical. The best way to approach an Overdrive is real slow. Walk up to it, look at the knobs, have it turned down real low, and then get a feeling for it. Learn what to do with your fingers to make it respond well. If you walk right up to it, it has a tendency to absolutely frighten some people. The secret control on the Overdrive's panel section is the ratio control, which controls how much overdrive is fed back into the circuit. If you turn that up, it's Rock City.

How different is the Overdrive Special you customized for David Lindley from a standard model?

I might have changed the value of a capacitor to some extent, so that it has a different treble response, but the circuitry is basically the same.

Lindley says that for certain sounds he's looking for, you sometimes borrow his guitar and Dumble for the weekend to match the amp to the guitar?

That's true. The amplifier responds so differently to each guitar that to get some effects, I need to use the player's guitars, instead of my own. That's one the great things about the amplifier; it doesn't modify any guitar into any one sound or homogenize it. It expands whatever you start with. The amplifier is a real important part of the sound regeneration system, but it needs to be very responsive to whatever the guitar is delivering. The philosophy I try to keep in the amplifier is that whatever you can hear in your head, this will help you get it.

Stevie Ray Vaughan calls his Steel-String singer the "King Tone Consoul."

There are some different things about Stevie's. His is set up more like a bass amp, modified to accommodate the guitar range. It's not the usual lead guitar "Singer" approach. One thing he liked was that he could turn the volume control all the way up and it didn't distort--it just got louder. He does make it distort sometimes because he has about 50 megatons of pressure when he attacks the strings [laughs]. He gets an incredible amount of signal out of his guitar, and most amplifiers can't take it. He did his first album with a bass amp I'd made for Jackson Browne.

Some players describe Dumbles as different, more powerful, more durable more efficient versions of a Fender Deluxe

That's a good way to describe it--in a limited fashion. There are some great qualities to a small Deluxe. You get a great harmonic structure at a small acoustic volume. It's real pleasing, especially when you're playing by yourself. But that sound is not convertible into a group ambience--it's gone. So, in the respect that I try to get something comfortable and very musical, only in a bigger fashion, that's a good analogy. But the circuitry is not even close. I use vacuum tubes, and transformers and knobs, but the similarity stops there. To get the result I want, I have to use unique circuitry. It's my tone circuits and coupling circuits and the way I process phase-inversion.

Can you "Dumble-ize" a Fender amp to the point that it shares the Dumble philosophy and sound, or would it be a compromise?

It's a compromise. The actual physical construction of the Fender limits what can be done. In fact, after the last Steel-String Singer mod I did to David Lindley's amps, he no longer uses the Fender Bassman I Dumbleized for him. He wanted this luscious transparency and response--like floating in white clouds--and I came up with special circuitry. I can use a Fender chassis, but you have to rip everything off of it, fill in all the holes, and re-drill it. They're just a little bit too squashed. A distance of half a centimeter makes a big difference in the way something sounds. It's a science involved with what's called circuit constants.

Instead of a single bright/deep switch, most of your amps have separate bright and deep switches. Can you use both at the same time?

Oh, you bet. It gets luscious low notes that you could float on and beautiful, crystalline highs that are silky as glass.

How many watts are the various models?

The overdrives are 100 watts, but they're switchable down to 50, and I do make a special 150-watt Overdrive, which is a lot of fun. The range in power goes from a 25-watt recording amp called the Hotel Hog up to the 450-watt Winterland, named after the concert hall in San Francisco.

Could there be an ultimate amp for you, or are the Overdrive and Steel-String Singer too distinctive to be combined?

Well, the Phoenix series is where I've done that--so you can combine things--because it's a rack-mounted affair. You can by all the separate preamps, with or without overdrive, and a choice of 50-, 100-, or 150-watt power amplifiers, and hook them together. The overdrive section is expanded--instead of two overdrive controls, you have four.

After experimenting with various speakers, what do you favor?

I've gone with everything, there are a lot of things I still like. The most versatile is the EV. But all manufacturers, include Altec and JBL, make wonderful speakers that do specific jobs other speakers can't do. I divide speakers into two classifications: the efficient and the low-efficient. Both are very useable. Low efficiency speakers are things like Celestion and Jenson and PAS. Usually because of the physical construction, they don't get the same acoustic level per watt as the Altecs, JBLs, and EVs do. There's an advantage to that, because you can make the amplifier work harder to get the same acoustic level, and a whole different kind of harmonic structure results. I love the sound of JBLs, especially for chords, but I had a lot of trouble with 4" voice coil not traveling in a linear fashion. The actual coil would short out against the magnet structure. The Altecs didn't do that, so I was using them up until '79, when EV started coming out the the EVM series.

How does your philosophy on speaker enclosures contrast with other companies?

I think mine's different. I just don't believe in a baffle board with a couple of sides. Everything is designed to respond tonally. Even my open-back enclosures use air to the optimum. It's an ongoing process; I'm still finding out things that are useful. There's a definite technique to developing enclosures. Instead of increasing the output all from the front by feeding more watts in, I designed a special series of open-back enclosures so that there's actually an air pole inversion process--I make the air respond in an in-phase relationship, both in front and in the rear of the enclosure. So, from the same amount of speakers, it's almost a doubling of sound.

Does that change the tonal quality?

Yes. The low end is absolutely luscious. You feel like you're floating on a football field filled with marshmallows. And it gives a singe to the midrange that puts solos right out there. It works great for chords and solos, but especially well for slide. It's the kind of enclosure that Lindley and Lowell George used.

Is there a single emotional aim you're shooting for, or many?

It's a whole panorama. I don't believe in being confined. There are hundreds, perhaps thousands or millions, of valid guitar tones. When the air becomes electric, that's the right sound, no matter what the one is. It's that sound exciting the senses.


[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-28 01:54 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-28 02:03:29 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
这里有jimiamps做的Dumble clone 视频:http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/wWZ6LzaT-WI/

jimiamps和闪电手关于 Dumble 的交流以及相关介绍:

       闪电手:Alexander Howard Dumble早年是个录音室吉他手,后来改行做手工Amp,自己一个人慢慢做产量很少,他Amp的Overdrive tone当时大出名,现在很多器材也都是要模拟他的音色(像line 6产品的model不就常有dumble, Zendrive那些手工单颗也都号称要给你dumble tone) ,像大家熟悉的Larry Carlton就有他的Amp,还有可以找一首Christopher Cross当年的名曲Ride like a wind,结尾就有一大段他用Dumble弹的solo

       但当时他最出名的是,他体重超过400百磅也不节食,然后性情古怪很不好相处,做Amp也很龟毛一台都要做好久,所以可能只做过很有限的数量流出市面(记得好像只有两百台上下),当年(七零年代末)一台就要近万美金,然后最呛的是- -你去跟他下订Amp,要签契约,先付五千美金订金,然后从此不准过问进度,否则违约,要等他做好主动通知你,也就是你如果等的不耐烦问他amp做到哪里了?马上五千元没收, amp也不给你, 你这客人拒绝往来户了,听说有人等数年才拿到

        当时早期的amp马上被人线路抄袭,他后来线路板都封胶不让人看,但还是有办法de-goop的,所以网上找的到线路图

        youtube上有人放个早年他跟一个前卫音乐家上节目的影片,搜一下应找的到,影片中就有用dumble overdrive,那个大胖子就是他


         jimiamps :HADumble已经RIP了,他是上高中的时候,受同学的启发开始制作AMP。从六七十年代起,到九十年代壹共制作了300台不到的AMP,他父亲是个机械工程师,上世纪三十年代时候,还有个专利,一个自动无级变速装置的玩意。
他的用户很多,像Larry Carlton,SRV,Robben Frod,Carlos Santana,Lowell George,Sonny Landreth,steve trovato等等,还有很多,EVH在给Michael Jackson录制“beat it”时,也是用的一**mble .现在拥有Dumble AMP最多的是John Mayer,有40多台!而金融危机之前壹台ODS 100可以卖到60000多美元,John Mayer基本全收。现在是50000美元也有点有价无市的意思了...

        最早克隆ODS的是他在德国的经销商Kitty Hawk,在70年代末到80年代初,也是因为这个Dumble将AMP的前级部分用胶糊上了,订做他AMP的人要和他签协议,不得公开内部的信息照片。线路图网上可以找到,不过绝大多数都有错
至于订做AMP等等这些故事就很多了...有壹份价目表,1990年的,壹台ODS的价格是5千多美元(express 60),当然有的人为订做壹台,而等好多年的。打电话咨询也要收费,当年SRV订做他的第二台SSS150时,就欠了几千美元的电话咨询费,而要求暂时寄放壹段时间,延期收货。
还有比如他晚年不再制作AMP,假如他喜欢你,他可以帮妳MOD壹台blackface bassman,妳付他6000美元,当然这个bassman得有你自己提供.......

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-28 02:21 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-28 02:30:04 | 显示全部楼层
这...可别这样........
命题太广,一下子也说不清,可以就具体的话题来讨论。
关键是想知道他关于他的哪些信息...

至于说到底基于什么线路,这个还真不好说,因为涵盖的范围比较广,有fender,marshall,ampeg等等中的一些设计,还有是他自己的设计,比如ODS中的四级放大电路(两级CLEAN,两级OD),DUMBLE早在70年代初就设计出来了,而MESA BOOGIE MARK I到78年才使用了这样的电路。
吉普车文中图二是个HIFI AMP的照片吧。。。下面的是LARRY CARLTON的音箱,JOHN MAYER的SSS 是第二台,100W,SRV的KTS是第七台,150W。。。那篇文章是1985年9月发表在GUITAR PLAYER杂志上的,看完也有不少信息了...哈哈
发表于 2009-9-28 02:32:33 | 显示全部楼层

回复 4# 伤感吉普车 的帖子

..................这都能找到
发表于 2009-9-28 02:39:25 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jimiamps 于 2009-9-28 02:30 发表
这...可别这样........
命题太广,一下子也说不清,可以就具体的话题来讨论。
关键是想知道他关于他的哪些信息...

至于说到底基于什么线路,这个还真不好说,因为涵盖的范围比较广,有fender,marshall,a ...


            图二:是和图三一起的照片,我想可能是图三的内部图,具体我不敢确实,但是原本的三张照片里两张都是Dumble,我想主人不会凭空但把个HIFI的内部照片夹杂在里面吧。--属于猜测,

            请教法师:两级CLEAN,两级OD 有什么优势,为什么要这样设计?
发表于 2009-9-28 02:58:45 | 显示全部楼层
很明显看起来是个立体声的HIFI的AMP...而且那音箱的内部我也看过。
至于四级电路设计,不存在“优势”一说。ODS基本都采用这样的电路形式,可声音却有着巨大的差别
发表于 2009-9-28 03:11:39 | 显示全部楼层
$60K for a Dumble Super Overdrive


Howard开始用环氧树脂封板是在80年代开始,以前据说还是提供一些图纸的。

这里还有些Ods150的介绍:看的有点晕,请法师讲解

        Overdrive Special 150 Watt that was completed by Alexander Dumble in the second half of the eighties. As far as I know he made only very very few of these amplifiers. Indeed I know of only this single specimen. The overdrive section of the preamp is very sophisticated. The overdrive tube is a 7247 and not a 7025 as usual. It has four (staggered) pots: trigger, taper, level, and ratio. Trigger adjusts how much of the scale of signal is fed into the first triode of the overdrive tube. Level adjusts how much of the signal is fed into the second triode of the overdrive tube.

        Taper adjusts the scale of high frequencies in the overdrive section. Ratio adjusts how much of the overdrive circuit's signals is fed back into the preamp circuit. These controls provide an extremely useful control of the harmonic content in order to fine-tune the overdrive circuit's voicing. So you can adjust the overdrive section for a vast spectrum of tonal colors from aggressive to warm and thick.

        That means e. g. that the harmonic content can be adjusted in a way that the tone has the harmonic character of a singing human voice. It's really amazing. The reverb section is similar to the reverb section of a Steel String Singer. The send and return controls make possible the perfect blending of the reverb signal and the dry signal in a way that adds a warm singing tone to a huge clean or overdriven guitar tone. The tremolo has a wide range of operation from very slow to very fast. It is extremely useful to achieve beautiful textures for all sorts of Blues or ballads together with the sophisticated reverb.

        The power amp is similar to a 150 W Dumbleland (same transformers), but the phase inverter and driver tubes both are 7025s as in a Steel String Singer. The output power can be switched from 150 Watts to 75 Watts. The output impedance is switchable to 4,8 and 16 Ohms.

       The footswitch provides the possibility to switch on and off the overdrive, the preamp boost, the reverb, and the tremolo. Because this amplifier is very heavy the bias and the dynamic balance can be measured and adjusted without removing the amp chassis. As you see this amplifier blends the qualities of a very sophisticated version of the Dumble overdrive circuit with the harmonically extremely rich, huge and mighty clean sounds of the Dumblelands and Steel String Singers.

         So maybe this is the ultimate and for sure the most versatile Dumble amp. I can't imagine a tonal color that cannot be achieved with this wonderful musical instrument. There is a signal path diagram of this amplifier on page 730 of the 4th edition of "The Tube Amp Book" by Aspen Pittman..

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-28 03:16 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-28 03:28:06 | 显示全部楼层
哪里不清楚?这个说的比较详细了,其实就是一个加强版的OVERDIRVE REVERB(santana和john mayer都有这个型号),因为使用了6550后级管,在推动级加了一级,就像SSS150里面那样的设计。这个型号只做了两台,一台被偷了,至今不知去向;一台去年被拿出来卖的,10万美金,就是文中描述的这台。现在好像价格又炒上来了,且比之前还离谱,有的简直是瞎扯淡
发表于 2009-9-29 02:31:26 | 显示全部楼层
A Dumble  BOOK 这本书有人看过吗?

发表于 2009-9-29 07:13:44 | 显示全部楼层
占个位置学习
发表于 2009-9-29 08:44:10 | 显示全部楼层
期待下文
发表于 2009-9-29 13:52:40 | 显示全部楼层
哈哈勤奋好学的修修,我在这里都能看到你啊!
加油,好好的学习!
我们一起努力!
发表于 2009-9-29 16:35:06 | 显示全部楼层
太狠了
发表于 2009-9-29 23:03:14 | 显示全部楼层
继续...........
70's Dumble Circuit - amazing.jpg
Bonnie Raitt.jpg
Bonnie Raitt  1.jpg
Bonnie Raitt  Manzamp.jpg
Bonnie Raitt Manzamp.jpg
dumble_control.jpg
od100f.jpg
ODS.jpg
ods004.jpg
srvsss2.jpg
sss1b.jpg
SSS at Overland Express.jpg
发表于 2009-9-29 23:05:39 | 显示全部楼层
法师《请问Bonnie Raitt 的那台是用BASSMAN改的吗?

第十张照片应该是SRV的那台。
上面的几台AMP你能否就背景给大家讲讲,谢谢

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-29 23:07 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-29 23:29:53 | 显示全部楼层
第一台是个CLONE,是RF的一个朋友的
下面几张是BASSMAN,DUMBLE给Bonnie Raitt  改装的
第七张,那台是DUMBEL给他的朋友Henry Kaiser做的,之前YOUTUBE上的那个视频里面就有这台。
第八张和最后一张是DUMBLE给David Lindley 做的。
第九张是ROBBEN FORD的ODS。
第十张,是SRV的
第十一张 SSS的combo,也是Henry Kaiser的
不客气...hope this helps

[ 本帖最后由 jimiamps 于 2009-9-29 23:32 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-29 23:59:51 | 显示全部楼层
这下面第一台的感觉是我最喜欢的~~  法师知道它是谁的吗 ? 音色走向啥概念

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-30 00:03 编辑 ]
The Dumble was one of them. Quite a feat considering the Marhalls.jpg
DUMBLE0.jpg
overdrive2.jpg
发表于 2009-9-30 00:15:34 | 显示全部楼层
这个是早年DUMBLE卖到德国的一些AMP中的一台,现在在谁手里,不太清楚。音色走向听听 MICHAEL JACKSON的那首 《BEAT IT 》中 EVH的solo,类似的声音
发表于 2009-9-30 00:40:19 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jimiamps 于 2009-9-30 00:15 发表
这个是早年DUMBLE卖到德国的一些AMP中的一台,现在在谁手里,不太清楚。音色走向听听 MICHAEL JACKSON的那首 《BEAT IT 》中 EVH的solo,类似的声音

EVH的solo都是高增益的,这个箱子应该不会是那个声吧?或者他用了效果器助推了箱子过载之后的声!!~~~

这下面有三个小片段音频~~  是上面那个箱子的音频,记忆不清楚了,不过很好听

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-9-30 00:42:46 | 显示全部楼层

回复 20# jimiamps 的帖子

回复漂亮!不愧是玩儿DUMBLE的精英!!
发表于 2009-9-30 00:47:10 | 显示全部楼层
不是,你的这个试听是还要稍晚一点的风格,而且是一台CLONE的试听。
那个节奏和SOLO确实是DUMBEL录得,非常肯定,而且没有加效果器

[ 本帖最后由 jimiamps 于 2009-9-30 00:48 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-30 00:49:21 | 显示全部楼层

回复 22# 卡萨布兰卡 的帖子

过奖过奖。。。
发表于 2009-9-30 00:53:32 | 显示全部楼层
这个试听音色,法师觉得做怎么样? 和原版品质差距大吗?
我觉得音色已经很好了,不过就是音箱的音色设置太单一了
发表于 2009-9-30 00:58:44 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jimiamps 于 2009-9-30 00:47 发表
不是,你的这个试听是还要稍晚一点的风格,而且是一台CLONE的试听。
那个节奏和SOLO确实是DUMBEL录得,非常肯定,而且没有加效果器


        如果那样的话,那台 DUMBLE音箱的本身增益够大的!

        不过EVH的吉他音色,我从来不喜欢,太尖薄。增益也超大,他喜欢高增益,他是早期高增益SOLO吉他手的推进者,要没他,也不会有高增益的5150.

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-30 01:00 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-30 01:06:33 | 显示全部楼层
这几个录得效果差了点,不过他也录了几个好点的试听,有伴奏的
至于和DUMBLE原版的区别,我想你要记住这点,没有一**MBLE是重样的,或多或少都有差别。这台机做的非常好,图片你也贴出来了
有机会我也会做一台这样的。
说到单一,其实这个类型的音箱就是这样的声音,否则也没有必要去每台不一样了。比如说总不能指望LP出STRAT的声音吧
发表于 2009-9-30 01:13:23 | 显示全部楼层

回复 26# 伤感吉普车 的帖子

大多DUMBEL的增益都不小,其实说那首是因为比较好找,一般也熟知那首曲子。还有一些其他的艺术家也是那个风格的音箱,不过国内可能基本不关注的。
发表于 2009-9-30 01:24:46 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jimiamps 于 2009-9-30 01:06 发表
这几个录得效果差了点,不过他也录了几个好点的试听,有伴奏的
至于和DUMBLE原版的区别,我想你要记住这点,没有一**MBLE是重样的,或多或少都有差别。这台机做的非常好,图片你也贴出来了
有机会我也会做一 ...

说到单一,其实这个类型的音箱就是这样的声音,否则也没有必要去每台不一样了。比如说总不能指望LP出STRAT的声音吧


法师误会我意思了。我是说,这个试听没有把箱子的Clean 和不同程度的过载,呈现出来
发表于 2009-9-30 01:31:37 | 显示全部楼层
是理解错了,sorry...
你多打试听两个字就不会了...
这个毕竟是用户做出来分享的试听,并非商业性质的演示,所以没办法要求那么多
发表于 2009-9-30 01:40:26 | 显示全部楼层
法师,请教下,目前有很多品牌都有做DUMBLE的CLONE。

     1.那么既然每台都有差异,用什么标准来定义DUMBLE的声音?

     2.从你了解的当前市面那个DUMBLE的CLONE牌子做的比较地道?
      PS:传闻连TWO ROCK都曾被Ken Fischer骂的一头狗血!是因为他们的抄袭的商业化后,品质缩水 。

     3.这些DUMBLE的CLONE品牌里,那些性价比高? 工艺有那些差别,用料有那些差异~~~~

     4. 既然以前的DUMBLE箱子都是根据客户需求定制,那么现在的CLONE,如何来统一量化各项(音色,用料,工艺,元件选配)标准?

          期待真相~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-30 01:49 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-30 09:46:32 | 显示全部楼层
大致上你可通过一些歌曲来区分:早期的就像前面说的BEAT IT,再后一点就像你发的试听那种风格,再后来一点就像ROBBEN FORD的TBL专辑里面的音色,还有就是90年代的HRM线路,我以前传过一个很短的视频(相信很多人之前都看过,好几年前的视频了),就是那样的声音。还有一种就是bluesmaster线路,Sonny Landreth的音色,我之前传得一个EJ TONE帖子里面就是这个风格的。就ODS而言大概是这样了,还有很多细节的变化,就不一一举例了。。。
TWO ROCK被KF骂,我想还是因为他们出过一个型号,是仿TRAINWRECK的EXPRESS的,而且我印象中早年还以套件形式出售的,KEN不愿意别人拿他的设计去赚钱,每台TW都要经过KEN的调校的,以这样的方式制作销售,KEN生气也是情理之中的事情了,人之常情。如果你是爱好者自己做,他可能还会指导你去做。不过这型号早就停产了。对于TWO ROCK的产品我倒不觉得垃圾,虽然都是COPY而来,就产品本身而言挺好的,只是产品价格定位高而已。
至于性价比,这个词我觉得有时候就是糊弄人的。作为一个商品,附加值是必须的,所有品牌的CLONE里面(当然其他产品也一样),如果只算零件成本,那只会占较小的一部分,所以你会发现自己“挨宰”了,当然事实并非完全如此.....
基本上现在的CLONE,基本上都可以找到DUMBLE的原型机(或以相同的方式调节的),一些品牌也根据自身的喜好和市场的定位做了些改动或者叠加,像2ROCK,FUCHS等等。
当然我说的品牌不包括ceriatone 。
发表于 2009-9-30 12:56:05 | 显示全部楼层
Ceriatone 做的Clone.我听了一些声音,觉得很棒的。

Ceriatone采用的PTP工艺看着很不错,相对Fuchs的PCB就觉得不够结实了,有缩水嫌疑。呵呵。 声音好听。


Ceriatone Overtone Special Nood.jpg

Fuchs的ODS和B.J-21声音我也很喜欢。

ODS30-Green-001.jpg

Two Rock看着也不错的。也是PTP工艺。不过面板上功能设计看着太复杂了,我觉得还是越简约越好。功能多了不是个好事情!

Two-Rock Custom Reverb.jpg




PS:最后问下现在的吉他音箱功放采用PTP工艺的话,如何防止机震现象 ?

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-30 13:04 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-30 13:32:54 | 显示全部楼层
我是来拜jimiamp大仙的
发表于 2009-9-30 13:38:40 | 显示全部楼层
不能光看是不是PTP,至于OTS,马来的人工很便宜,都是找的打工的制作的...
FUCHS用的也都是高品质的PCB,而且事实上,DUMBLE的音箱里很多都是类似PCB或就是PCB的工艺
2rock其实也不复杂,那些开关只是换了叫法和改变了安装位置罢了
发表于 2009-9-30 13:48:26 | 显示全部楼层
请问:Matchless与Bad Cat 记得法师曾提起过他的PTP工艺和TWO ROCK等有区别,这个有些不明白,还请法师明示!

[ 本帖最后由 伤感吉普车 于 2009-9-30 13:53 编辑 ]
发表于 2009-9-30 13:49:34 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jimiamps 于 2009-9-30 13:38 发表
不能光看是不是PTP,至于OTS,马来的人工很便宜,都是找的打工的制作的...
FUCHS用的也都是高品质的PCB,而且事实上,DUMBLE的音箱里很多都是类似PCB或就是PCB的工艺
2rock其实也不复杂,那些开关只是换了叫法和改 ...


Ceriatone的品质,法师似乎有些冷眼!
发表于 2009-9-30 14:08:30 | 显示全部楼层
不是我冷眼,关于NIK的事情很多,不在这里说了。这是他对于他的产品的一个定位就是打这牌子,卖大路货跑量的。跟CUSTOM,BOUTIQUE无关。
PTP,简单的说就是有板子的和没有板子的,没板子的就像BADCAT这样的,有板的,就像早年的FENDER,MARSHALL等等,大多如此。至于音色,不要问,永远是个争吵的话题,在国外也是。
发表于 2009-9-30 14:18:21 | 显示全部楼层
听君一席话,胜读N年书!!
发表于 2009-9-30 14:22:34 | 显示全部楼层
一台 Du  mble!!!!!!
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