http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTYwOTQ2NjQ=.html 摘了一点国外爱好者的讨论，太长了，只选了前几个发言：
Best all around Knopfler sound in amp
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Im transferring my thoughts from another thread.
Trying to find which amp would be best for all around
Knopfler tones (his newer stuff, not so much early Strat,
but later LP sounds)
We all know that his tone differs greatly as he uses several
amps and guitars for things. But I believe that a Komet or
Reinhardt that he uses on tour are able to give Mark K a
versatile enough tone for anything he's doing. Its just in
the studio where you have to time and space to fool around
with different amps.
you guys have more experience with amps,
would a Fender Deluxe VM for instance be lacking in
something for the general sound I want? (which other
fenders would be better btw)
For instance, I dont think a Marshall would have what im
looking for, Mesa neither. So some amps I can rule out.
Theres even some really fine amps called Vintage Sound by
Rick Hayes locally here i've played, really awesome
boutique amps, little pricey but worth it of course.
Whats the best, or atleast a few good well rounded amps
that can handle his tone altogether at affordable prices?
For instance today I played a few different amps. Burgera
was really inexpensive at 22w for $350ish. Fender Deluxe
VM for $800 had a nicer tone of course. Bugera was more
metalish compared to a regular vintage, clean was not near
a fender but may have more gain.
Also played a Fender Deluxe (Hot Rod?) which had similar
qualities.
Ideally for me a low watt tube amp should be best so I can
turn it up to crank the tubes. Are Fenders high gain
enough?
Basically a simple question of what im asking is:
If Knopfler were to only pick one amp to play live. Which
would it be that could have sweet clean tones and still high
gain enough for his LP solo work.
Komet or Reinhardts are probably likely answers right?
Now, whats a small affordable version of those? What are
those amps modeled after or sound like?
That would probably be the answer im looking for.
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well knopfler sounds like knopfler with any amp...
...that being said imho the best tones he gets with the komet, the tone king imperial and the tweed deluxe...
...as a big knopfler fan i can say i don´t like his live sound with the reinhardts - don´t get me wrong - reinhardts are good sounding amps and the builder seems to be a great guy... but imho(!) there is no competition - the komets sounded so much better live... and i have seen A LOT concerts of mk...
i am looking for a tone king imperial by the way - so that would be my suggestion... with a good pedal like the box of rock you can do the thick and throaty les paul sounds at whisper volumes too...
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The Komet is a beast! His tone with that amp...whao!
If you're going with a smaller more Fendery amp, try a Menatone Kar Krash if you can find one. Lots of Knopflers Komet tones in that box.
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The Komet is a beast! His tone with that amp...whao!
If you're going with a smaller more Fendery amp, try a Menatone Kar Krash if you can find one. Lots of Knopflers Komet tones in that box.
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Wasn't he using Jim Kelley amps there for a while and I also hear that he was using a 2x12 Crate 50 combo. Is this true??
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he sounds pretty killer through the reinhardt
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Yup Mark is or was running Reinhardt Storms and a Tone King for his live shows.
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Yah so basically the Tone King for clean, Reinhardt for Solo??
Thats teh problem I keep facing, no amp that can do alright with both.
Its probably better to use a good clean amp, with better distortion pedal than the other way.
But then again, some Fenders dont do well with pedals.
Man, is there a market for the amp im looking for or what...!
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Well, you might consider a Fender Vibrolux Reverb
and one guitar with single coils and another with HB's
That covers a lot of ground.
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MK's early trademark tones came largely from a '62 brownface 1x12 Vibrolux. Those amps also do remarkably well with HB guitars and pedals to cop his later tones. That would be my simple one amp recommendation.
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The Komet fans are remiss for not mentioning that his amps were modified and are not stock.
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My understanding is a Jim Kelley amp was used for his trademark sound on "Money for Nothing".
.................................. 原帖由 GibsonVintage 于 2009-11-25 14:44 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
哈，我觉得如果你买了Soldano SLO 100 一定不会后悔的。。。
感谢指导啊,正在寻找马克声音的过程. 原帖由 老人与琴 于 2009-11-25 15:04 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
诸位高人看看这个现场是用什么音箱呢?这是我听过最美的声音!
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTYwOTQ2NjQ=.html
这个问题!!!!请赐教! 原帖由 老人与琴 于 2009-11-25 15:11 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
这个问题!!!!请赐教!
Soldano SLO 100加 Marshall 4 x 12
这场演唱会是90年代初开的，后来还发行了一张现场专集。这场演唱会之后老马的事业就开始下降了。 楼上几位，能帮着翻译一下么？我已经晕了 MK 现在在用Grosh 的 EJ 录音~~
我也给喜欢老马的人做些贡献
Pensa-Suhr Custom1984 Pensa-Suhr R-CustomIn 1984 Rudy Pensa (owner of Rudy's Music Stop and Mark's friend from 1980) started a cooperation with his new employee John Suhr who was working on his own guitars. Schecter Guitars was sold out, Tom Anderson (Schecter guitar former) left the company and took the Pin router and started making bodies to sell to builders. Rudy bought a bunch of unfinished Schecter necks, Tom Anderson cut bodies using a modified strat shape downsized at John's request and Rudy and John started making guitars under Pensa-Suhr name*.It is first Pensa-Suhr guitar built for Mark. The guitar was used (via Synclaviar) on So Far Away on the Brothers In Arms album.
Also Mark used this guitar during Live in 85/6 tour on Ride Across The River and Why Worry.
http://www.mark-knopfler.info/guitars/pensasuhrrcustomr.jpg * Interview with Joh Suhr - Synergy Guitars, 2003
1984 Pensa-Suhr, RedThere is some information (is not confirmed) that it is a 'prototype' Pensa-Suhr - first guitar John Suhr built under the Pensa-Suhr name*. It is not known when Mark got this guitar but he used it on Two Young Lovers in the On Every Street tour 1991-1992.
http://www.mark-knopfler.info/guitars/pensasuhrred.jpg * Mark Knopfler Guitar Styles Vol. 1/2, 1995
1985 Pensa-Suhr, WhiteIt is a white Schecter Strat custom guitar was assembled by John Suhr specialy for Mark. It features Schecter body (made by Tom Anderson and painted in white by John), a Fender bridge, Seymour Duncan Alnico Pro pick-ups and Dunlop 6110 frets*. It was favorite Mark Knopfler guitar in the mid of 80s.
During the tour 1986 Mark used this guitar on Sultans Of Swing, Waltzing Mathilda и Going Home. Also the guitar was used on The Bug (studio and live) in 1991-1992.
http://www.mark-knopfler.info/guitars/pensasuhrwhite.jpg * John Suhr interview, 1986
1986 Pensa-Suhr, BlackThe guitar (serial number 014) has flat top, black lacquer finish and it is fitted with EMG active pick-up system*. It is precursor of the 1987 Pensa-Suhr (Maple) model.
The guitar was used on Let it be (Ferry Aid, 1987), Vic & Ray and Water Of Love during the Golden Heart tour 1996. Also Mark used the guitar in Eric Clapton tour in 1987-1989.
http://www.mark-knopfler.info/guitars/pensasuhrblack.jpg * Mark Knopfler Guitar Styles Vol. 1/2, 1995
1987 Pensa-Suhr, Flamed MapleThe guitar was conceived and designed over coffee on a napkin with Mark Knopfler and Rudy Pensa in 1985*. The guitar was built by John Suhr (under name MK1 with serial number 001) and features a magnificent one-piece contoured maple top backed by one piece of mahogany and a rosewood neck. Fitted with EMG active pick-up system with switchable mid-boost**. The guitar was basis for the Pensa MK1 Signature model.
The guitar debuted during the Nelson Mandela's 70th birthday concert in 1988. It is Mark's main guitar from 1988 till 1993. Now Mark does not use Pensa MK1.
http://www.mark-knopfler.info/guitars/pensasuhrmaple.jpg The guitar was used on tracks on The Notting Hillbillies and Dire Straits albums: Feel Like Going Home, Calling Elvis, Heavy Fuel and Planet of New Orleans. Also the guitar was used for Mark's guest work on songs Love You Too Much (Jeff Healy) and Old Habits Are Hard To Break (Ronnie Milsap)
Mark used the guitar in The Notting Hillbillies tour 1990; Knewborth 1990; On Every Street tour 1991-1992; Prince's Trust, Swan Hunter and Leeds charity concerts. Mark used this guitar last time in Golden Heart tour in 1996.
The Notting Hillbillies tour 1990: You Own Sweet Way, Think I Love You Too Much, Feel Like Going Home, Hobos Lullaby.
On Every Street tour 1991-1992: Calling Elvis, Heavy Fuel, Planet Of New Orleans, Sultans Of Swing, Tunnel Of Love Solid Rock, Money For Nothing, Brothers In Arms, Telegraph Road.
Golden Heart tour 1996: Romeo & Juliet, Sultans Of Swing, Telegraph Road and Gravy Train.
* History, - Pensa Guitars, 2005
** Mark Knopfler Guitar Styles Vol. 1/2, 1995
1988 Pensa-Suhr, KoaIt features koa top and fitted with EMG pick-ups. The guitar was used on Randy Newman's Land Of Dreams album and Neck & Neck duet album with Check Atkins. Later Mark never used this guitar. 原帖由 GibsonVintage 于 2009-11-25 15:37 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
Soldano SLO 100加 Marshall 4 x 12
这场演唱会是90年代初开的，后来还发行了一张现场专集。这场演唱会之后老马的事业就开始下降了。
谢谢!
也看晕了!
哈哈 84年--86年的PENSA-SUHR都没有87年的那把经典哈哈 主要是之前都是单色漆，87年用了Q枫木，应该算老马和这个牌子今后的一个标志了。 同意!
这把是John Suhr 做的.所以我相信SUHR CARVE TOP的复刻应该可以达到相当的水准. 对的，当时PENSA和SUHR合作的时候，SUHR主要负责制作吉他。 我靠，老马的FANS还真多，SUHR没有老马的签名琴吧。
早期他老人家喜欢用FENDER（SCHECTER）中期用 SUHR PENSA 现在老了 GIBSON用的多一些。
还是喜欢他用LP+过载的那种浑厚悠远的呻吟，感觉PENSA声音太甜美了，有些油腻了。 PENSA-SUHR代表MARK的唯美浪漫，GIBSON就代表了MARK的成熟稳重。 原帖由 GibsonVintage 于 2009-11-25 19:38 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
PENSA-SUHR代表MARK的唯美浪漫，GIBSON就代表了MARK的成熟稳重。
非常赞同!
回复 91# 老人与琴 的帖子
我不觉得现在suhr都不是suhr本人做的 suhr本人现在主要是设计和管理 还有偶尔做做箱头。。。 他的音乐和气质还是用les paul更完美。 原帖由 GibsonVintage 于 2009-11-25 19:38 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
PENSA-SUHR代表MARK的唯美浪漫，GIBSON就代表了MARK的成熟稳重。
哈哈，这个说的到位。 原帖由 子在川上约 于 2009-11-26 16:38 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
哈哈，这个说的到位。
话说高版主，我仰慕您很久了哈哈 原帖由 老人与琴 于 2009-11-25 16:32 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
同意!
这把是John Suhr 做的.所以我相信SUHR CARVE TOP的复刻应该可以达到相当的水准.
MK的复刻琴头也是以前MK的款式。和现在的略有不同 原帖由 GibsonVintage 于 2009-11-26 17:51 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
话说高版主，我仰慕您很久了哈哈
不敢不敢，我粉老马好多年了，没想到您也是同好。
关于老马，这里有他的一切：
http://www.freewings.cn/discuz!/forum-40-1.html
原帖由 子在川上约 于 2009-11-27 10:19 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
不敢不敢，我粉老马好多年了，没想到您也是同好。
关于老马，这里有他的一切：
http://www.freewings.cn/discuz!/forum-40-1.html
哇，这个论坛牛掰。。。哈哈哈，谢谢版主~~~
我也粉了老马好久。。真是百听不腻。。 不顶说不过去! 原帖由 hbk 于 2009-11-26 22:56 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
MK的复刻琴头也是以前MK的款式。和现在的略有不同
都挺好的. 看楼上说起SCHECTER，我也才想起，我也是个S粉丝。正是因为老马，先认识了S，再认识了PENSA
仿佛背起那琴自己就形似半个老马了，哈哈YY 这是我上半年写的一首歌，极致模仿老马风格的，大家听听看:
吉他是 GIBSON LES PAUL+KLON+FENDER HOT ROD DELUXE
http://www.tudou.com/v/VGH8UOdcR1Q 原帖由 GibsonVintage 于 2009-11-26 17:51 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
话说高版主，我仰慕您很久了哈哈
现在知道了,为什么崇拜高斑竹!不崇拜不行! 高版主那个模仿的风格的试听我早就听过了，哈哈哈。。还有很多牛掰的BLUES作品都很好听。。。 老马是用SCHECTER的? 曾经用过美产SCHECTER。 他有把 fender签名琴在店里 见过57Strat 的身 62的C型的指板
买不到 pensa-shur的 可以 搞把 那个 和ctm差不多一个价 ! FENDER给他出过一个签名款，从没见他用过，而且那款产量相当小。。。 顶一下. 哈，哥们这执着 物欲横流,执着的东西不多了. 太牛啦 啊哈哈哈哈哈 原帖由 老人与琴 于 2009-11-23 11:18 发表 http://bbs.guitarschina.com/images/common/back.gif
Suhr Guitars Consumer Order
Guitar ModelCarveTop Standard - MK CloneBody WoodMahogBody Option3/4 Quilt Maple TopNeck WoodMahog with Brazilian RosewoodNeck Back ShapesEven C Sl ...
他的琴桥EMG不是85吗？怎么suhr的配置单里给的是81?