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吉他演奏家和吉他大师的区别

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呵呵,引《齐物论》捣个乱。一句顶一万句,句句是真理是过去的大笑话,连霍金都在修正他的理论,何必呢?
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买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
飘过,密切关注中。。。。
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-16 23:37
你真是弱智得可以,贴子谁都能进,但进别人的贴子发言,就会与楼主有关系。 ...

跟贴讲话有必要这么冲吗?高高在上的样子,何必?
你自己看看,论坛里只要有人发视频,你就发表评论,指出人家这个不行,那个不行,按理说,这也没啥.这本身就是论坛存在的交流意义.
可是只要有人和你辩论一下观点,你就直接跳.
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-16 23:40
东拉西扯个啥?说吧,事实和听众有什么关系,有还是没有?

那你算不算听众?
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-16 23:43
演奏者按自己的理解去演绎当然没问题了,
可是听众都往他吐口水就有问题了, ...

十一月的某一天左手右手难度较低,很多人都能弹好A段,所以普及程度就相当广泛,但是普及的是jesus ortega的版本,其实这个曲子是完全可以按照舞曲来演绎,人们一开始听不习惯会吐槽这是很正常的,吉他的魅力也在这里无论你会不会弹,都可以吐槽,但是吐槽要有度啊,过了度就不好聊天了,质疑一个专业音乐学院的专职教师的专业水平不是一个很好的事情!
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-16 23:53
是给他脸,对吗
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对不起,我看问题只看对错,不看人脸。

好吧,既然不愿意消停,那就继续下去吧,况且弹吉他真的跟吃饭不一样,不是吃得越多就吃饭的水平越高,难道夹一口菜,先还能吃出不一样的风采来?
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-16 23:56
跟贴讲话有必要这么冲吗?高高在上的样子,何必

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我们是管不着你怎么讲话,但我们只要对你的观点发表不同意见,你就高高在上的泼妇一样吵架.此外,你在论坛里的跟贴讲话,大多全是批评指责挑剔为多,你又有什么权利管人家的言论?你管得着吗?
你不要对别人是一套标准,自己又是另一套标准.
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时候不早了,大家都洗洗睡吧,明天继续讨论,小心被姜版禁言14天。
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-17 00:00
好像连陈志的演奏水平都多的是人吐口水吧?
任磊是教师,不是演奏家,他的演奏水平不行又有什么可奇怪的 ...

央音的教授和上音的教师演奏水平行不行,我没资格也没这个能力去评论,但我知道我得尊重他们!
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-16 23:56
跟贴讲话有必要这么冲吗?高高在上的样子,何必

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一会儿说网络就是弱肉强食,摆出一副和人吵架的姿态.
一会儿又说别人管不着你的讲话,但你又到处指指点点
别人一上视频,你从头到尾就象大师一样讲评.
---整个就是思维混乱
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-16 23:41
呵呵,这就叫,树欲静而风不止。

到底吉他比霜刃要更加亲和呀!
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xyjdn 发表于 2014-5-17 00:05
你让人不要高高在上,已经是在防碍别人的行为了,早已超越了言论的范筹。
我什么时候不让人做这样或者是 ...

我想大家都明白你这话的意思了.
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大师首先是一名演奏家,或者曾经经过演奏家的阶段,跟用手和用心好像没什么关系。
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本帖最后由 josephshen 于 2014-5-17 08:58 编辑

这是个有趣的话题,同时也是个学习的机会。

中文世界的概念有时候并不分明,网络更是如此。每个人理解的概念都不同。

英文维基有Guitarist(吉他演奏家)的条目,没有吉他大师的条目。

Guitarist-From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the UK magazine, see Guitarist (magazine). For the American magazine, see Guitar Player.
A guitarist (or a guitar player) is a person who plays the guitar. Guitarists may play a variety of guitar family instruments such as classical guitars, acoustic guitars, electric guitars, and bass guitars. Some guitarists accompany themselves on the guitar by singing or playing the harmonica.

Techniques[edit]
The guitarist has several ways of playing the guitar depending on the type of strings (see Nylon-string guitar or Steel-string acoustic guitar) and including the guitar pick, fingernail, and/or fingertip (see fingerstyle guitar).[1] It involves techniques derived from other stringed instruments such as 'legato playing' and various harmonics.

吉他手(演奏家) - 维基百科,自由的百科全书

对于英国的杂志(Guitarist)和美国杂志(Guitar player)表达同样的意思。
吉他手是弹吉他的人。吉他手可以演奏吉他家族里的各种不同乐器,如古典吉他,木吉他,电吉他,低音吉他。一些吉他手会同时弹唱或演奏口琴。

技术
因琴弦类型不同吉他手有几种方式来弹吉他(见尼龙弦吉他和钢弦木吉他),并包括用吉他拨片,指甲和(或)指尖(见指弹吉他)的几种方法。也包括从其他弦乐器衍生过来的技术,如“连奏”和“泛音”等。
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本帖最后由 josephshen 于 2014-5-17 13:38 编辑

我感兴趣的是List of classical guitarists(古典吉他演奏家名单)条目

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_classical_guitarists

看看在列的有没有大家认识或认可的。

List of classical guitarists
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is a list of classical guitarists.

Contents  [hide]
1 Baroque (17th & 18th century)
2 19th century
3 20th century
4 Modern
5 References

巴洛克时期 Baroque (17th & 18th century)[edit]

John Dowland (1563–1626) (England)
Antoine Carré
Francesco Corbetta (ca 1615–1681)
Giovanni Battista Granata
Francisco Guerau
Luis Milan (c. 1500 – 1561 or possibly later) (Spain)
Girolamo Montesardo
Alonso Mudarra (1510–1580)
Santiago de Murcia (Around 1682 or 1685–1732) (Spain)
Gaspar Sanz (1640–1710) (Spain)
Robert de Visée (ca 1658–1725) (France)


19世纪19th century[edit]

Dionisio Aguado (1784–1849) (Spain)
Matteo Carcassi (1792–1853) (Italy)
Ferdinando Carulli (1770–1841) (Italy)
Napoléon Coste (1806–1883) (France)
Adam Darr (1811–1866) (Germany)
Antoine de Lhoyer 1768–1852 (France)
José Ferrer (Spain) (1835–1916)
François de Fossa (1775–1849) (Spain-France)
Mauro Giuliani (1781–1829) (Italy)
Johann Kaspar Mertz (1806–1856) (Austrian-based, born in Slovakia.)
Francesco Molino (1775–1847) (Italy)
Niccolò Paganini (1782–1840) (Italian)
Giulio Regondi (Italian)
Luis T. Romero(1854–1893)(American)
Fernando Sor (1778–1839) (Spanish)
Andrei Osipovich Sychra (1773 or 1776 – 1850) (Russia)
Francisco Tárrega (1852—1909) (Spanish)



20世纪 20th century[edit]

This article is a list of notable classical guitarists. For a complete list see the Category classical guitarists.(本文是著名的古典吉他演奏家列表。对于一个完整的列表,请参阅分类别的古典吉他演奏家。)

Laurindo Almeida (1917–1995)(Brasil)
María Luisa Anido (1907–1996) (Argentina, Spain)
Agustín Barrios Mangoré (1885–1944) (Paraguay)
Abel Carlevaro (1916–2001) (Uruguay)
Leif Christensen 1950–1988
Alirio Díaz (b. 1923) (Venezuela)
Cayo Sila Godoy (b. 1919)
Alexandre Lagoya (1929–1999) (France)
Antonio Lauro (1917–1986) (Venezuela)
Miguel Llobet (1878–1938)
Sergei Orekhov (1935–1998)
Emilio Pujol (1886–1980) (Spain)
Ida Presti (1924–1967)
Celedonio Romero (1913–1996) (Spain)
Regino Sainz de la Maza (1896–1981) (Spain)
Andrés Segovia (1893–1987) (Spain)
José Tomás (1934–2001) (Spain)
Narciso Yepes (1927–1997) (Spain)
Frantz Casseus (1915-1993) (Haiti)



现代  Modern[edit]

Petar Čulić (b. 1986) (Croatia)
Lily Afshar (b. 19--) (Iran / U.S.)
Cesar Amaro (b. 1948) (Uruguay)
Magnus Andersson (b. 1955) (Sweden)
Rafael Andia (b. 1942) (France)
Sergio Assad (b. 1952) (Brazil)
Evangelos Assimakopoulos (b. 1940) (Greece)
Denis Azabagic (b. 1972) (Bosnia)
Alan Banks (Australia)
Manuel Barrueco (b. 1952) (Cuba)
Johanna Beisteiner (b. 1976) (Austria)
Gilbert Biberian (b. 1944)
Dušan Bogdanović (b. 1955) (Yugoslavia
Liona Boyd (b. 1949)
Julian Bream (b. 1933) (United Kingdom)
Leo Brouwer (b. 1939) (Cuba)
Frank Bungarten (b. 1958) (Germany)
Charo (b. 1941) (Spain)
Simon Cheong (b. 1959) (Malaysia)
John Couch (b. 1976) (New Zealand/Australia)
Gerard Cousins (Wales)
Aniello Desiderio (b. 1971) (Italy)
Máximo Diego Pujol (Argentina)
Carlo Domeniconi (b. 1947) (Italy)
Juanjo Domínguez (b. 1951) (Argentina)
Zoran Dukic (b. 1969) (Croatia)
Roland Dyens (b. 1955) (France)
Richard Charlton (b. 1955) (Australia)
Marcin Dylla (b. 1976) (Poland)
Hucky Eichelmann (b. 1956) (Germany/Thailand)
Gabriel Estarellas (Spain)
Roberto Fabbri (b. 1964) (Italy)
Oliver Fartach-Naini (b. 1964) (Germany)
Jim Ferguson (b. 1948) (U.S.)
Eliot Fisk (b. 1958) (U.S. / Austria)
Yorgos Foudoulis (Greece)
Ricardo Gallén (b. 1972) (Spain)
Duo46 Matt Gould (U.S.)
Gareth Koch (b. 1962) (Australia)
Slava Grigoryan (b. 1976) (Australia)
Nicola Hall (b. 1969) (United Kingdom)
Tony Harmon (b. 1958) (U.S.)
Robin Hill (b. 1953) (United Kingdom)
Evan Hirschelman (U.S.)
Adam Holzman (b. 1960)
Tilman Hoppstock (b. 1961) (Germany)
Simone Iannarelli (b. 1970) (Italy)
Sharon Isbin (b. 1956) (U.S.)
Mattias Jacobsson (b. 1984) (Sweden)
Ólavur Jakobsen (b. 1964) Faroe Islands
Ekachai Jearakul (b. 1987) (Thailand)[1]
Maria Kämmerling (b. 1946)
William Kanengiser (U.S.)
Hubert Käppel (Germany)
Milos Karadaglic (Montenegro)
Peter and Zoltán Katona (b. 1968) (Hungary)
Patrick Kearney (b. 1970) (Canada)
Nikita Koshkin (b. 1956) (Russia)
Leon Koudelak (b. 1961) (Czech Republic / Switzerland / Thailand)
Goran Krivokapić (b. 1979) (Serbia)
Irina Kulikova
Humberto Bruni Lamanna (b. 1957) (Venezuela)
David Leisner (b. 1953) (U.S.
Dang Ngoc Long (b. 1957) (Germany/Vietnam)
Stephen Marchionda 1967 (U.S. / Spain)
Carlo Marchione (b. 1964) (Italy)
Pablo Márquez (b. 1967) (Argentina)
Martha Masters (b. 1972) (U.S.)
Anders Miolin (b. 1961) (Sweden / Switzerland)
Jaime Mirtenbaum Zenamon
Erling Møldrup (b. 1943)
Gentil Montaña (b. 1942) (Colombia)
Jorge Morel (b. 1931)
Thomas Müller-Pering (b. 1958) (Germany)
Michael Nicolella (b. 1963) (U.S.)
Gordon O'Brien (b. 1966)
Erkan Ogur (b. 1954) (Turkey)
Elie Ossipovitch (France)
Christopher Parkening (b. 1947)
Marco Pereira
Robert Phillips (b. 1953) (U.S.)
Álvaro Pierri (Uruguay)
Alberto Ponce (b. 1935), (Spain / France)
Stanko Prek
Štěpán Rak (b. 1945) (Czech Republic)
Charles Ramirez (b. 1953) (United Kingdom)
Marc Regnier (U.S.)
Angel Romero (b. 1946) (Spain)
Pepe Romero (b. 1944) (Spain)
David Russell (b. 1953) (United Kingdom (Scotland))
Flavio Sala (b. 1983) (Italy)
Karin Schaupp (Germany/Australia)
Stephan Schmidt (Germany / Switzerland based)
John Schneider
María Isabel Siewers
Göran Söllscher
David Starobin (b. 1951) (U.S.)
Pavel Steidl (b. 1961), (Czechoslovakia (now in the Czech Republic)/Netherlands)
David Tanenbaum (b. 1956) (U.S.)
Scott Tennant (b. 1962) (U.S.)
Michael Tröster (b. 1956) (Germany)
Galina Vale (Ukraine / United Kingdom)
Ana Vidović (b. 1980) (Croatia)
Jason Vieaux (b. 1973) (U.S.)
John Williams (b. 1941) (Australia)
Kazuhito Yamashita (b. 1961) (Japan)
Yang Xuefei (b. 1977) (People's Republic of China)
Andrew York (U.S.)
Laura Young (Canada)
Liza Zoe (b. 1940) (Greece)
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“大师在国内就是个中级职称”
塞2 说的
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本帖最后由 2011jitawolaile 于 2014-5-17 10:00 编辑

我们用两年的时间学会说话,确要花十年的时间学会闭嘴
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2011jitawolaile 发表于 2014-5-17 09:59
我们用两年的时间学会说话,确要花十年的时间学会闭嘴

严重同意!甚至比十年更长。
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大家相互交流发表自己的见解挺好的事,不要相互攻击就好,搞得不欢而散多没意思。这帖也算挺火的。我该闭嘴了。
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做出重大贡献的才称为大师,比如泰勒加发明了轮指,塞戈维亚提高了吉他地位! 但是也不能说演奏家就只用手弹了,都在用心。
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上表里有两个我认识的:山下和仁、杨雪霏,是亚洲的代表。
Kazuhito Yamashita (b. 1961) (Japan)
Yang Xuefei (b. 1977) (People's Republic of China)
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记在表中的中国古典吉他演奏家有6个。“陈珊珊”、“陈志”、“李洁”、“苏萌”、“王雅梦”、“杨雪霏”。(看来英文维基百科编辑者有一定的倾向性,哈哈。)
Pages in category "Chinese classical guitarists"
The following 6 pages are in this category, out of 6 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more).

C
Chen Shanshan
Chen Zhi
L
Li Jie (guitar player)
S
Su Meng
W
Wang Yameng
Y
Xuefei Yang
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Category:Japanese classical guitarists 日本的演奏家名录。福田进一、古贺正男、村治佳织、佐佐木正、佐滕忍、山下和仁。
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pages in category "Japanese classical guitarists"
The following 6 pages are in this category, out of 6 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more).

F
Shin-Ichi Fukuda
K
Masao Koga
M
Kaori Muraji
S
Tadashi Sasaki (musician)
Shinobu Sato
Y
Kazuhito Yamashita
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感觉像武侠小说里的大师,手中无剑,心中有剑,谈笑间,樯橹灰飞烟灭的境界是最高的。。。
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同意楼主意见
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王雅梦的轮指真地世界第一么?
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看看就好 反正有演奏会去看就好
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