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吉他与钢琴的合奏训练

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发表于 2006-4-6 17:03:18 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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不知道国内的吉他教学过程中是否强调合奏训练
春节期间曾在俄罗斯盘桓即日,接触了几个吉他手。
交谈中得知,老师在教学过程中非常重视吉他的重奏合奏训练,基本上是作为一门单独的课程而施教
因为吉他是一种乐器,只要是乐器就有合奏重奏的需求。
当然了,合奏重奏还有其他积极的意义
给大家看一个谱例,是俄罗斯人提供的吉他与钢琴的重奏课曲目。难度不大

吉他与钢琴

吉他与钢琴
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-6 17:15:02 | 显示全部楼层
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俄罗斯的古典吉他合奏教材中的曲目,有吉他间的合奏形式,更包括了吉他与弦乐、木管、俄罗斯民族乐器(冬不拉、巴莱莱克等)的合奏重奏。曲目范围也很广,各个时期各个风格的
发表于 2006-4-6 17:42:02 | 显示全部楼层

反正当时我在圣比德堡上学时老师基本不碰吉他的

GC视频号
只弹钢琴。
发表于 2006-4-7 04:17:15 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
原帖由 各哦派 于 2006-4-6 17:42 发表
只弹钢琴。

这是事实,
现实点来看, 即使在欧洲,北美,在专业音乐学院的学习中, 古典吉他只是古典音乐一个很小很边缘的分枝,所谓古典吉他南美音乐, 在整个古典音乐体系中,更是很边缘很边缘.
发表于 2006-4-7 04:26:35 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢楼主, 我和一个弹钢琴的朋友正找谱呢. 你还有长一些的好听的谱子吗?
发表于 2006-4-7 07:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 cyberninja 于 2006-4-7 04:17 发表

这是事实,
现实点来看, 即使在欧洲,北美,在专业音乐学院的学习中, 古典吉他只是古典音乐一个很小很边缘的分枝,所谓古典吉他南美音乐, 在整个古典音乐体系中,更是很边缘很边缘.



古典吉他只是一种乐器的名称.和小提琴一样. 古典吉他曲是用古典吉他演奏的乐曲, 和古典音乐没有必然关系.

所谓古典音乐是欧洲音乐体系, 南美音乐本来就不属于古典音乐的范畴.
发表于 2006-4-7 08:00:30 | 显示全部楼层

顶一下

原帖由 哈哈 于 2006-4-7 07:47 发表


古典吉他只是一种乐器的名称.和小提琴一样. 古典吉他曲是用古典吉他演奏的乐曲, 和古典音乐没有必然关系.

所谓古典音乐是欧洲音乐体系, 南美音乐本来就不属于古典音乐的范畴.


顶一下
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发表于 2006-4-7 08:13:22 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 哈哈 于 2006-4-7 07:47 发表
古典吉他只是一种乐器的名称.和小提琴一样. 古典吉他曲是用古典吉他演奏的乐曲, 和古典音乐没有必然关系.

所谓古典音乐是欧洲音乐体系, 南美音乐本来就不属于古典音乐的范畴.

俺觉得这种争论没有太大的意义, classical music是由欧洲音乐体系发展而来, 但是classical music并不只是欧洲音乐, Villa-lobos的音乐算不算classical music?
俺只是说: classical guitar music只是classical music中的一个小分支, 南美风格的classical guitar music是classical guitar music中的一个分支, 所以是classical guitar music中的一个更小分支.
发表于 2006-4-7 08:16:02 | 显示全部楼层
韦拉罗波斯不能算古典音乐. 呵呵. 正如中国的梁祝不能算古典音乐一样.

其实,弄清一个概念就行了, 什么是古典吉他曲. 呵呵.

没啥争论的.
发表于 2006-4-7 08:23:43 | 显示全部楼层
what is classical guitar music?

it's the  music composed or arranged for classcial guitars.
发表于 2006-4-7 08:31:44 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵. 不是什么大了不起的争论, 不过Villa-lobos的音乐当然算classical music, 随便上网查, http://www.classicalarchives.com/bios/codm/villa-lobos.html.
中国的梁祝小提琴协奏曲当然算classical music, 格什温的蓝色狂想曲也算, 不过越剧梁祝就不算了.
classical guitar music is the classical music played by classical guitar.  
苏格兰风笛是欧洲音乐, 但苏格兰风笛独奏曲就不是classical music, 只是民族音乐.
还有个欧洲国家用马靴跳出舞曲节奏, 是欧洲音乐, 可也不是classical music.

什么是classical music, 见下文:
Intro to Classical Music
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Your Guide to Classical Music.
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A Beginners Guide to Classical Music
What is classical music?
When asked the question, “what is classical music?”, elevator music comes to the minds of many people. Although it is grossly inaccurate to say that classical music is elevator music, the two terms are similar in one way. They are both a generic term applied to a type of music. Classical music encompasses many styles of music spanning over 700 years.


Origin and Definition
The term classical music originates from the Latin term classicus, meaning taxpayer of the highest class. Slowly after making its way through the French, German, and English languages, one of the earliest definitions of the word meant “classical, formall, orderlie, in due or fit ranke; also, approved, authenticall, chiefe, principall.” Today, one of the ways Merriam-Webster defines classical is “of, relating to, or being music in the educated European tradition that includes such forms as art song, chamber music, opera, and symphony as distinguished from folk or popular music or jazz.”


Periods of Classical Music
Music historiographers classified the six periods of music by stylistic differences.


Before 1400 – Medieval – characterized by Gregorian chant, mostly religious
1400-1600 – Renaissance – increase of secular music, madrigals, and art song
1600-1750 – Baroque – known for its intricate ornamentation
1750-1820 – Classical – balance and structure
1820-1900 – Romantic – emotional, large, programmatic
Beyond 1900 – 20th Century – limitless

Styles within Classical Music
Many styles of music exist within classical music; the most recognizable being the symphony, opera, choral works, chamber music, Gregorian chant, the madrigal, and the Mass.


Where to Begin
For starters, begin with what you already know. You are probably more familiar with classical music than you think. You may hear it while dining in a restaurant, shopping, watching TV, or hear it in the movies. With what’s available on the internet, it can be very easy to find a song you've heard in almost any movie or TV show.

Listen to and research popular composers like Beethoven, Mozart, Haydn, Brahms and Bach.

Research the top ten classical music albums or drop by the Top Ten Symphonies You Should Own page. Don't hesitate to read the reviews and find out what others are saying.

Attend a classical music performance in your area.

Listen to what you know more than once and by several other artists. Mozart’s biographer says in his book that “The masterpieces of the Romans and Greeks please more and more through repeated reading, and as one’s taste is refined – the same is true for both expert and amateur with respect to the hearing of Mozart’s music [or classical music].” The bottom line: the more you know a piece the better it becomes.
Above all else, don't be hesitant.
The sheer breadth of classical music can be quite daunting, but as soon as you find something you like, stick with it. Let that piece of music be your starting point. Listen to other pieces by the same composer, then branch off into similar types of music by different composers, and so on and so forth. Pretty soon, you will see that classical music isn't so scary after all.

什么是classical guitar music, 一时在网上没找到, 很多国内的书上都有吧, 是怎么说的?
发表于 2006-4-7 08:36:34 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵, 古典音乐这个争论可是大了, 偶实在是驾驭不了.
但classical guitar music是再清楚不了的, 指的是为古典吉他创作或改编的音乐.和音乐风格没有关系.
发表于 2006-4-7 08:44:44 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 哈哈 于 2006-4-7 08:36 发表
呵呵, 古典音乐这个争论可是大了, 偶实在是驾驭不了.
但classical guitar music是再清楚不了的, 指的是为古典吉他创作或改编的音乐.和音乐风格没有关系.

对, 没错, 所以可以有各种音乐风格. Granados的transcription, Villa-Lobos之流的作业都算classical guitar music. 摇滚版的fur Elise虽然是来自beethoven, 也不算classical guitar music.

其实俺的原意是国内一些职业guitarist坐井观天,以为自己是中国的吉他大师,所以是中国的音乐大师,所以是世界的音乐巨匠,要知道每年都有各种各样的吉他世界冠军, 每年世界各地都有吉他专业的毕业生,每年世界各地的音乐学院学校都有学生获奖学金......
国内一些职业guitarist见的越多,不一定应该越觉得自己渺小,但一定不应该越觉得自己伟大......
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-7 16:19:30 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 seattlekiddo 于 2006-4-7 04:26 发表
谢谢楼主, 我和一个弹钢琴的朋友正找谱呢. 你还有长一些的好听的谱子吗?

这个就很好听
等会儿我扫描给你
发表于 2006-4-7 17:12:49 | 显示全部楼层
ding ......
发表于 2006-4-8 00:23:59 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 walksound 于 2006-4-7 16:19 发表

这个就很好听
等会儿我扫描给你



谢谢, 盼望中... ;)
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-8 10:04:07 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 seattlekiddo 于 2006-4-8 00:23 发表



谢谢, 盼望中... ;)

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发表于 2006-4-9 17:16:00 | 显示全部楼层
谢谢楼主上传谱子!
 楼主| 发表于 2006-4-9 21:02:04 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 seattlekiddo 于 2006-4-9 17:16 发表
谢谢楼主上传谱子!

咱都业余的就甭客气了
发表于 2006-4-9 23:15:41 | 显示全部楼层
我一直都非常想看楼主弹钢琴,真的
发表于 2006-4-10 03:59:10 | 显示全部楼层
有机会的话是该多参与与其他乐曲甚至乐队的合奏训练

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