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发表于 2007-1-20 12:23:59 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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[size=+2]Some background and observations about
[size=+2]the main Selmer six-string guitar modelsA small attempt at putting into words some thoughts about these guitars for the benefit of those who have yet to spend much time with them.
The Maccaferri model, with the large D-shaped soundhole, was originally designed to accommodate Mario Maccaferri's patented Internal Resonator. In many cases however, it seems that the guitar worked better for players without that resonator, as few original Selmers retain one. We believe this is due to a production error that caused them to come loose and buzz, provoking their prompt and sometime brutal removal. That said, the basic 1932-33 D-hole guitar has 12 frets and a 648mm (25.5") scale, very similar to our contemporary Martin/Gibson/Fender scales, with a "classical-width" fingerboard. Necks on the early Selmers were generally quite large. The few with maple bodies had maple necks, generally all other necks were walnut.
  The later Selmer model, with the small vertical oval soundhole, never had a resonator; in fact, it was a design repudiation of the resonator model. Around late 1933, after a handful of transitional models, it was offered with the longer 670mm (26.4") scale. Once it was available, this was the model that Django really played. Almost all Selmers ever made are this model. Virtually all Selmer guitars, early and late, were of laminated Indian rosewood with walnut necks. There exist a few very late ones with solid rosewood necks and a few rare all-mahogany or birdseye maple guitars with matching maple necks. Selmer tops were always solid spruce.  In terms of sound, the models differ more to the player than to the listener. Because of how the soundhole affects the way the sound emanates from the guitar's body, the player hears perhaps more accurately what the D-hole model sounds like to others. By contrast, with its small soundhole, the oval-hole model seems to project more directionally. It's generally agreed that the longer scale on the oval-hole model allows it to be played harder as well. By far the most important element in a guitar's sound (besides the player!) is the top. All Selmer models had solid French spruce tops. The tonewoods of the body certainly color that sound, and these tonal differences are again more evident to the player than to the listener. To most players familiar with the tonal contrast of a normal American-style flattop and a normal American-style archtop, the Selmer-style guitars define a third point on a triangle - as different from the former two as they are from each other. First impressions are generally that they sound "trebly," but it should be noted that the style of playing these guitars is fundamentally different- particularly with the oval-hole model - than what is usually employed playing more conventional flattop and archtop instruments. Once the picking hand's "sweet spot" is found, the full dynamic range appears. These guitars are traditionally played with Argentine strings, a rather light, special composition string - silver-plated copper over a steel core - made in France. They are also often played with rather high action, for clearer notes and better vibrato. American silk-and-steel and bronze strings emphatically do not work, regular steel strings are merely acceptable. There is, however, one American stringmaker offering a superior string for these guitars, called Manouche-Tone Strings. The Maccaferri classical guitar is tonally much more akin to other nylon-strung guitars (of course in the early 1930s, there were only gut strings) because it has a fan-braced top and a relatively conventional glued-on bridge. Its cutaway, coupled with its unique voice, make it an extraordinary choice not only for classical playing (for which Mario Maccaferri designed it, and played himself so beautifully) but for Brazilian music, jazz and myriad other applications. Of the two steelstring models, three out of four modern buyers initially prefer the oval-hole, mostly because it's what Django played. Many players who know absolutely nothing of Django (believe it or not, such people do exist!) gravitate instead toward the D-hole. These tend to be either classical players or folks who've basically always played jazz electrics. The Internal Resonator, when it works correctly, has a profound and very salutary effect on the tone. It does not increase the volume but one apt description is that it acts as a bass reflex, altering the EQ of the guitar. There were two main resonator designs in the early Selmer days: one with a single opening which worked, and another, with two small holes, that didn't. Because of Mario Maccaferri's brief tenure with Selmer, few of either design were ever really built, far fewer survived. The Internal Resonator is a great deal of trouble to make and install, but well worth it.
  
                     - Paul Hostetter


 楼主| 发表于 2007-1-20 12:25:16 | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-1-20 13:18:27 | 显示全部楼层
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大家注意这两把琴的声孔的对比,
左边这把: "D 字型声孔"
"The Maccaferri model, with the large D-shaped soundhole, was originally designed to accommodate Mario Maccaferri's patented Internal Resonator. In many cases however, it seems that the guitar worked better for players without that resonator, as few original Selmers retain one. We believe this is due to a production error that caused them to come loose and buzz, provoking their prompt and sometime brutal removal."
大概是说, D字型这把,原本是Mario Maccaferri为追求他独有内部共振而量"声"订做的,但是事实证明,没有这样的共振,吉他的音色往往更好. 而且我们相信,正是由于这种错误的设计导致了,吉他的音色松散和浑闷.....

现在再看右边这把:"卵形声孔"
The later Selmer model, with the small vertical oval soundhole, never had a resonator; in fact, it was a design repudiation of the resonator model.
这种小而长的卵形声孔,毫无共振可言,事实上,它的设计正是对前者"D字型大共振"的一个批判.呵呵


[ 本帖最后由 Rainbow101 于 2007-1-20 13:20 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2007-1-20 13:54:50 | 显示全部楼层
Why this thing?
Mario Maccaferri was a perfectionist. He felt the human body dampened the vibrations of the back of the guitar, so he put in the resonator so its back could resonate freely. Meanwhile, the real back of the guitar was a giveaway. Few people believe this was actually the real situation. It does not make the guitar louder! But I will say that it changes the sound a lot, very much like a bass reflex. Bass reflex is terminology from speaker cabinet design, and general room acoustics, as in tuning auditoriums and performance halls. The resonator is simply a chamber which provides a defined space of air that shapes the soundwaves a certain way before they pass out through the hole in the resonator and out the soundhole of the guitar. Every room sounds different, as does every guitar body - because the walls have different sizes and shapes, are made of different things, and so forth. A bass reflex enhances certain frequencies, altering and even deepening the tone in a way. Another example is speaker cabinet design: if you understand this art, you know it is possible to manipulate certain structural design aspects of the box and its porting, and each change results in a different characteristic sound. We also understand that with correct engineering, some very small cabinets can generate some very deep sounds. Any guitar body is a resonator in the general sense: it amplifies the signal of the vibrating string. Maccaferri's resonator has nothing to do with volume, but rather has to do with the precise profile of the overtones. The strings produce their little signal, the top does a great deal to amplify that, and various other factors have an effect on the rainbow of frequencies that collectively come out of the guitar in one way or another. For example, the mass and tonal characteristics of the woods involved, the shape and volume of the air space inside, and so on. We all know what happens when we adjust the settings on a ten-band EQ, right? Well, installing a resonator is like doing a major alteration of all those little potentiometers on the "sound board" of a guitar. Noting that the resonator is a good deal smaller than the original sound box of the guitar, someone asked "If the resonator doesn't increase the volume, does it decrease it?" Intuitively, it would seem so, but I have heard too many brilliant and loud resonator models that I wouldn't dare make that claim. Whatever else it does, it at least compensates for the reduction of airspace inside and so forth. The back of the resonator does indeed vibrate more or less unimpeded, so the real back is a sort of second back, a sacrificial protective plate. It has some vibration and effect on the overall tone of the guitar, of course, but it's less important (at least theoretically - most players, unless they're standing up or have a big fat tummy, don't touch that much of the back of a guitar anyway). So that aspect, in my opinion anyway, is not particularly important.  It's all Mario ever said was behind the resonator. It turns out to do something else he never suspected, or at least could not articulate. And a good thing it is. We are not complaining! Perhaps we can, as Kevin Doherty suggested, simply call it a "character-enhancing" device.
  

- Paul Hostetter
为什么会这样?
因为Mario Maccaferri 是个完美主义者,他认为人体会让吉他背部的共振衰减....
呵呵...太多了...有兴趣的朋友慢慢看吧,后文还有很多关于声学概念的东西,很有意思,我特别觉得Mario Maccaferri这个人很有意思,个人也特别喜欢吉普赛音乐,觉得他们民族的乐观豁达,从音乐上表现得淋漓尽致~~~!!!
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强帖求翻译!!极度关注!!!
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我有一把ren gerome,是这么拼么,五十年代法国造,风味奇特
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