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[古典吉他教学] 俺在网上和巴鲁埃科(Manuel Barrueco)关于动态范围, 不靠弦弹法的等话题的探讨

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发表于 2007-9-1 05:24:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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Dynamic range, free stroke, amateurs

Submitted by cglover on Thu, 2007-08-30 16:28.

Dear Mr. Barrueco,
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1. Compared with violin and piano, Guitar has smaller volume/projection, which implies less dynamic range. How do you handle this in your performance?

2. I feel that free stroke can generate the same tone and volume as the rest stroke does (no big differences between free stroke and rest stroke), and it actually makes notes more balanced, especially for the continuous melody in Baroque pieces. Do you basically use both (around 50% to 50%) or use free stroke more frequently?
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Best Regards

[my name omitted]

Submitted by Manuel Barrueco on Fri, 2007-08-31 12:29.

1-In a nutshell: you have too see in each hall what’s the softest you can play (and still be heard) and not go bellow that. It is very frustrating to play in a big hall where you are only trying to see how loud you can play so that you can be heard. This is no way to make music. More and more, in larger halls, I am using amplification, as some of the equipments nowadays are so good. Keep in mind that by using amplification, the system will become an extension of your instrument, and that we should ultimately be responsible for it. We have to get to know the system we use and learn how to place the microphones, etc… Having said all that, the best way and the most completeway to enjoy a concert, is to hear the guitar in a place with great acoustics and no amplification. It could be argued that to try to truly appreciate the sound of a player (and his volume), is a bit like trying to appreciate the color of a wine while drinking it in a tinted glass.

2- Well, I don’t agree. To my mind there is no question at all that rest stroke is considerably louder. The balance could be determined in how you are using your hands. If you always strike the strings the same way, you will get the same sound whether you want to or not. In baroque music I use probably at least 95% to 99% free strokes, as I feel it is more stylistically correct and it is the best way to fully control dynamics and tone in polyphonic music.

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Manuel Barrueco
http://www.barrueco.com
发表于 2007-9-1 06:54:11 | 显示全部楼层
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我也觉得靠弦或者不靠弦区别不大,不过不靠弦会比较灵活
 楼主| 发表于 2007-9-1 10:27:27 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 2007-9-1 12:34:13 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
我经常用ROMANCE来反复感受两种弹法,,靠弦,我用杨MM新CD那种感觉弹,感觉出来的声音更理性。
不靠弦,甚至带有一些粗糙,沙哑的音色,也就是很不纯的音色,更有感性一些的感觉,,,更浪漫一些。因为我听很多CD,西班牙的弹这曲子,其实大多一部分都没有靠,而且都用略带沙哑,沧桑,粗矿的音色弹,反而更有感觉,,更富有人性化,,,

个人感觉而已,别见笑。。
 楼主| 发表于 2007-9-1 13:12:15 | 显示全部楼层
呵呵, 有自己的想法并加以实践, 总是好的, 不过吴老弟的琴不是卖了吗? 现在用什么呢?
注意巴老说的不靠弦的优点只是就音量而言, 音色的清, 厚, 亮应当是基本一致的. 而且, 他弹复调和我们一样, 都是基本不靠.
发表于 2007-9-1 15:10:17 | 显示全部楼层
DEAR CYBERNINJA,THANK YOU FOR BRINGING FORWARD TO MASTER BARRUECO THE COMMON DOUBT THAT MANY GUITAR
AMATEURS HAVE. PERSONALLY, I CAN NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

[ 本帖最后由 gtlover 于 2007-9-1 15:15 编辑 ]
发表于 2007-9-2 15:49:58 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 cyberninja 于 2007-9-1 13:12 发表
呵呵, 有自己的想法并加以实践, 总是好的, 不过吴老弟的琴不是卖了吗? 现在用什么呢?
注意巴老说的不靠弦的优点只是就音量而言, 音色的清, 厚, 亮应当是基本一致的. 而且, 他弹复调和我们一样, 都是基本不靠.

弹复调很多时候都会碰到要在相邻的弦上弹或者要弹超过2根弦,所以不用不靠弦基本上是没法弹的,所以弹复调用不靠弦根本几乎是必然的,没有什么特别。
要是有人弹复调用靠弦,那才是特别,不过别告诉偶是二重奏,偶指的可是独奏。
发表于 2007-9-2 22:47:25 | 显示全部楼层
数码,那把全单发贴后不久就卖给论坛一位山东哥们了。那把是全新的嘛。。

我头像这把国产的佛莱达面单,也还是不算,音色一把,但是习惯了这样的手感,,因为我自己买的骆驼骨来打磨的,,用你的那个单词来说,就是action比较符合自己。。。。哈,又学会了一个单词
 楼主| 发表于 2007-9-3 00:39:13 | 显示全部楼层
国产的佛莱达, 呵呵, 要是取个洋名, 不知道会不会叫Fleta...
发表于 2007-9-3 16:02:08 | 显示全部楼层
我第一次听说FLETA的时候,也觉得怎么象我的琴啊,,另外,还有法丽达,也是国产知名品牌,呵呵..

刚才又看到网友和老巴讨论恰空的帖子,,最近怎么巴老头貌似很有闲情逸致上网哦.
 楼主| 发表于 2007-9-4 01:31:18 | 显示全部楼层
Barrueco主动向俺提及王雅梦和苏萌:

"I am lucky to currently be able to have two incredibly talented students from China: Su Meng and Wang Yameng. But they are not really “students”, these are two outstanding young guitarists. "

评价很高!
发表于 2007-9-5 00:23:22 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 cyberninja 于 2007-9-1 05:24 发表
俺在网上和巴鲁埃科(Manuel Barrueco)关于动态范围, 不靠弦弹法的等话题的探讨


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