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先申明一下: 不代表本人或论坛的观点, 只是转载, 看看海外的评价而已.
Original thread:
Zhu Liying's performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydZeU0jovCA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFbFEqMzNK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCDB_vXvgrY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmdA71hsi7M
A student of Professor Chen Zhi.
dinga:
She won the 2nd prize at GFA 2007 yout division I.
kuan:
I think we're embarking on a new standard for CG.
classgtr:
Stunning technique...musically as interesting as a typewriter.
dinga:
>>Stunning technique...musically as interesting as a typewriter.
midi, robot, machine, and then here goes typewriter. [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
At least her technique far exceeds Fisks for her take on Caprice, as with many of those other Chinese girls (Chen Zhi's students). [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
classgtr:
Based on that ONE video, yes. I've seen him play it flawlessly on several occasions (and with the requisite feeling and virtuoso flair, I might add...)
dinga:
Including or not including his performance at GFA 2007? I wasn't there, but what I heard from others was not much different from that ONE video. [Wink]
No offense, but I cannot find any other way to give credit back to those girls than comparing their videos to that ONE video. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
OK, maybe she did not get the first prize due to her lack of music in GFA 2007, who knows.
segoviajr:
>>Stunning technique...musically as interesting as a typewriter.
hey, now lets not insult typewriters
kuan:
I thought the Dyens and Aquarelle movement were phenomenal. The Paganini pieces are intended as a show of virtuosity. If you are condemning someone's playing as being "interesting as a typewriter" you better have more detailed and learned comments or else you just sound like one big jerk.
TheEvan:
I enjoyed them a lot. I think she could benefit from a good sounding guitar, though. That cedar guitar used on the Paganinis has admirable clarity but sounds nasal to me, while the Smallman used on the other two tracks sounds muddy and lacking in depth. Nothing a few Obergs & Reynolds in the house wouldn't cure. [Wink]
I've seen a few of the girls playing a spruce guitar with a rosette reminiscent of Gilbert that sounds much better...
I do agree that the Paganini's could use more bravura and digging in, but still that's one amazing display of virtuosity!
classgtr:
>>If you are condemning someone's playing as being "interesting as a typewriter" you better have more detailed and learned comments or else you just sound >>like one big jerk.
There's little use of color, dynamics, or phrasing. She just cleanly (with one memory lapse exception) rattles off the notes in a highly unemotional style. Paganini, at least, needs a lot more flair.
kuan:
Fair enough. I've made my preferences known before, and I'll make it known again. Of course, folks may or may not agree.
There are at least two schools of thought in guiar, and to a certain extent, they blend. But there are clear preferences between players.
The first is the use of color and guitar idiosyncracies (I like to call them) to emphasize parts of a piece. This, I believe, is the way Segovia, and later, Bream, liked to play. To me it sounds like effects, special effects, done for the sake of having special effects.
The other school of thought is to play the guitar like a piano. The idea is to shape a series of notes so they have some kind of form. A note on the piano sounds the same whatever way you strike it. (some might disagree) Despite its tonal limitations, it is indeed possible to make music on a piano.
What you prefer is up to you. I like treating the guitar like a piano. With today's louder instruments that are capable of going to FF, guitarists are finally starting to think like pianists. We no longer have to resort aural trickery to get a point across.
dinga:
>>I've seen a few of the girls playing a spruce guitar with a rosette reminiscent of Gilbert that sounds much better...
They are Alma guitars made by Heehong Kim. All those Chen Zhi's girls (4 angels) play Alma guitars when they play duet or quartet (http://almaguitar.com/). They use Gropp or others when they play solos.
edit:
Try this from Galina Vale on Alma guitar. http://youtube.com/watch?v=kigeM4d79LQ shows her level of play.
classgtr:
Pianists still create interest through phrasing, dynamics, articulation, etc.
RAM:
I suspect the pendulum will continue to swing back and forth, but the current trend is certainly towards pianistic sound. Excellent music can be made both ways, Barrueco, more a proponent of the pianistic approach than the other, already showed a long time ago that one can make good music on the guitar this way. Still though, it does limit what the instrument can offer and gives up on one advantage it has over many others, i.e. color.
I think it is unfair to judge these videos too harshly. I couldn't even tell if it was a performance setting or a coaching session (given all the noise in the background). I am sure these players have enormous potential and it can't hurt to have those technical skills so early.
Rene
riffmeister:
I prefer to have a piano play like a piano, and a guitar play like a guitar or a piano, depending on the nature of the piece and the intent of the performer. That's part of the beauty of the guitar.....vibrato, tone color, note bends, etc.....why not use all the guitar's "tricks'? |
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发表于 2008-2-14 05:45:56
