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发表于 2008-5-12 03:01:27
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累死我了,敲了好多汉字,吗得,比我看N个英文帖子花的时间和精力都要多,下面内容希望看到的朋友认真阅读,这将改变你的一生!也不枉我辛辛苦苦大半夜的还在翻译敲字,都不容易,不是吗,哈哈!
这一段是原文,一个yngwie迷去吉他店的经历--后面会完整翻译
After months of me playing around with my pedals and amps, and constant help from you guys, I just dialed in a perfect mid 1980s Malmsteen tone without using a 1987x or a 1972 JMP. Here's how:
I visited yesterday a guitar store in Manhattan that sold vintage amps. I jumped when I saw a 1972 JMP MKII with tubes that were only a year old. They wanted 2800 for it, so I said no way.
I got an idea though! I brought my equipment (Marshall JCM2000 with JJ tubes, YJM strat, DOD-308, and Boss NS2, and a 1960ax cab). I asked tem politely if I could compare my amp to the 1972. He said the amp was also serviced recently, so keep that in mind.
It took me about 25 minutes to get all my equipment there and set up. I tried the 1972 JMP on about 7 volume (IT hurt REALLY bad) in a sound proof room for 10 minutes with my equipment. It screamed Yngwie, I was suprised. I then switched that head with my DSL 100. The tone was completely different. I had the volume on 1 with my 1960ax cab and was stunned. I then realized in the car my gain knob was at 4.5! I quickly turned it down to 2, turned up the volume and the tone wasn't very different. I then dialed in the mids and matched the tone on the JMP, and to my discovery, the myth is true! The JCM2000 does sound similar to an older MKII with the gain turned down. So, here are the results of my test and the mids and everything set exactly:
If you've got a JCM2000 DSL, try the levels at this:
Volume: at least 2
Gain:2.2
Ultra Gain Lead 1 channel
Presence:4
Bass:7
Treb:4.8
Mid:4.5
DOD:
Gain:9.2
Level:10
It's not exactly like it, but it is pretty close.
You've got to have a cabinet too that has speakers similar to the H30s. I have a 1960ax which is very similar, but if you've got a speaker that is only good for metal, you should get something that sounds more vintage!
So there you have it! I tested both out and proved the myth!
下面一段是一个朋友的回复,谈到了一些音箱调试的"秘密"哦
Your discovery about getting older early 70's JMP tones from a Modern hi-gain amp is correct.
The basic difference between vintage amps and modern amps (often times) is the following..
1) Vintage amps have low gain and only get mildly crunchy when maxxed out. But this maxxed out position means the power transformer and tubes are working full out, thus the amp is very touch responsive.
This means when you roll back the guitar volume knob, the amp actually gets clean sounding, not just quieter.
ie.... without touching amp, you should be able to go from a crunchy early Clapton CREAM tone to a clean Hendrix "Little Wing" tone simply by rolling guitar volume knob back from 10 to 4.
(no overdrive pedals in this example)
2) Modern amps often tend to generate all the gain and distortion in the preamp section and only use the power tubes and transformers to regulate the overall volume.
The result can be higher gain at lower volumes, but the feel is usually flat and does not respond to pick attack very well.
Very often modern hi-gain amps have the irritating symptom of bad dynamics.
This means they have stacked to many gain stages in the amp, it is a "one trick pony" that needs Channel Switching to get different tones.
For example with amps suffering this malady, when you roll back the guitar volume knob, the amp does not really clean up -- it simply becomes a quieter version of the same tone.
If a person has a more modern hi gain amp, the first place to start to try and emulate the vintage amp sounds is to try and mimmick what the old amps are doing as closely as possible.
You learned this trick by your own experimentations, but studio guitarists have been using this trick for years when trying to make early Master Volumes, JCM800, JCM900, etc... sound like 60-70s Marshalls when none were available.
As you indicated.......
1) Set Gain to minimum
2) Turn up the amp's VOLUME as loud as possible for your situation
3) Now slowly bring gain knob up while playing thru your guitar (Strat w/ HS3 for example).
With guitar volume on 10, the amount of crunch should be like that of early CREAM
With guitar volume around 4-5, the amp should clean up and have a Hendrix "Little Wing" or "Wind Cries Mary" tone.
The "Yngwie-like" sustain will come from the DOD Overdrive slamming the preamp section of an amp whose power transformers and E43L tubes are already at the saturation point.
Most people make the mistake of trying to get "the tone" with all preamp and "front end" distortion.... which shows they are going down the wrong road to get authenticity.
Especially notable for this mistake are the people on the internet who think Yngwie must use 2 overdrives at the same time.
看的懂英文的自己看,看不懂的看我的翻译
如下
第一部分是上面第一段英文老外逛商店的全过程!
近几个月我在持续不断得到你们大伙的帮助之下玩转我的单块和音箱,现在,不使用1987x或者1972年的JMP我已经调试出了一个完美的yngwie80年代中期音色,详情如下:
我昨天去了一家曼哈顿的卖老音箱的吉他商店.当我看见一台1972年的JMP MKII并且得知管子才使用了1年的时候我跳了起来!老板想卖2800块美金,我觉得"没门儿"!
不过我马上有了个念头,我恰好携带了我的设备:一台安装着JJ管子的marshall jcm2000,yjm的签名琴,dod308 boss的ns2,还有一个1960ax的箱体.我很有礼貌的问他们是不是能让我对比一下1972和我的箱子.老板说这台箱子刚刚检修维护过了,所以这一点让我印象很深!
我花了大约25分钟里调试我的设备并连接好它们.在一个隔音房里,我用我的其他设备连上1972jmp,并把它开到了音量7的位置(真的很吵!),玩了10分钟的样子.我得说,那绝B就是yngwie的音色,我被震住了!然后我把箱头切换到我的dsl100,音色顿时变得不一样了!连上1960ax箱体我把它的音量开到1,出来的音色让我有点目瞪口呆!虽然我就发现原来我放在汽车里时我的gain是开到了4.5的位置的.于是我立即把gain减小到了2,并且开大了音量,这时音色就没那么大的不一样了.随后我就比对着jmp的音色来调节我的箱头,如我所料,我的想法是正确的!JCM2000在低失真度情况下,听上去非常接近老式的MKII.下面就是我这次测试的结果和精准的设置参数了:
如果你有一台jcm2000,按照下面的试试:
音量:至少开到2
gain:2.2
使用ultra gain lead 1 通道
presence:4
bass:7
treb:4.8
mid:4.5
dod
gain:9.2
level:10
这并不是百分百的,但是已经很接近了!
当然了,你也得有一个有着类似于H30S那样喇叭的箱体.我的1960ax很接近这个感觉,但是如果你的喇叭只适合干金属的话,那我劝你还是找个别的喇叭,起码听上去更vintage些!
好了,就这些,你都看见了,我测试了这俩,并且验证了我的想法!
下面这一段是上文第二段英文,老外讲解如何调试你的音箱!秘密,秘密就在其中!
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你这个从现代high gain音箱来得到类似于70年代早期JMP音色的探索是非常正确的!
vintage箱头和现代箱头从大多数情况来说,有着以下的一些基本不同点..
1:vintage箱头的gain比较低,在开到最大音量时只会获得狂野的crunch音色.但是开到极限音量位置时意味着后级变压器和管子都是超负荷工作了,因此此时箱头出来的音色非常有触感
这就意味着当你关小你的吉他音量钮时,箱头发出的声音变得更干净了,而不仅仅是单纯的音量变小了!
举个例子:不需要动你的箱头,将你的吉他音量纽从10往4扭动,你可以轻而易举的将Clapton早期在cream混日子时那种crunch味儿的音色变成hendrix的little wing那种干净音色.(这个例子里没有使用过载单块)
2:现代箱头更多是使用前级部分来制造所有的失真,并且只是靠后级管子和变压器来放大整体的音量而已!
这样做的结果就是,在更低的音量下能获得更高的失真度,但是给人的感觉却是很平淡,也不能很好的对拨片触弦有不错的回应感.
大部分时候,现代的high gain音箱糟糕的动态感让人恼怒心烦!
我的意思就是,他们给箱头堆叠了太多的失真度放大级,切换不同的通道来改变音色显然就是一招鲜的做法
举个例子吧: 有着这种毛病的音箱,当你减小你吉他的音量纽时,音色并不是变的clean了,而只是简单的变成了一个同样音色的小音量版本!
如果你有一台现代的high gain音箱,那么你试图模仿一台vintage音箱的声音的第一步就是尽可能的试着按照老式音箱的工作方式那样让它运转!
你根据自己的经验学会了这个把戏,不过录音棚里那些吉他手们已经表演这样的戏法很多年了,尤其是当他们弄不到那些60~70年代的marshall,却又希望让早期的mater volume和jcm800 jcm900等等听起来象这些60 70年代的老箱子的声音的时候!
就像你所说的...
1:将gain调到最小!
2:在你环境允许的情况下尽可能的开大箱头的音量
3:现在慢慢开大你的gain旋钮,并且弹你的吉他(例如选择fender strat的琴颈hs3拾音器)
在吉他音量纽开到10的时候,crunch的总量感觉就像早期的cream乐队
在吉他音量钮开到4~5的时候,音箱出来的声音应该变得比较clean了,并且就像hendirix的little wing或者wind cries mary这俩曲子的音色了!
yngwie式的延音来自于dod的过载单块推一个后级变压器和e34l后级管子已经达到饱和点的箱头的前级部分.
大部分人所犯的错就是试图从前级和前端的失真来获得想要音色,并因为自己的一厢情愿的观念走上了错误的道路!
特别要提到的一个错误就是网上很多人都认为yngwie一定同时使用了两个过载单块! |
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