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发表于 2008-10-23 17:52:53 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
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TOKAI的LP款的琴估计大家都比较熟悉 但是ST款的好像在GC上见得比较少,介绍也比较少 。在tokai 里面ST款的vintage系列是最出名的 因为COPY FENDER最像,无论用料和做工上都是向USA fender vintage看齐的,在欧洲tokai star口碑也相当不错,有不少人收藏它,像SQ 的jv系列一样。
  具我所知vintage系列里面又有 Springy Sound  Silverstar Sound 和goldstar sound 3个系列。
  最先是Springy Sound系列后来goldstar sound 和Silverstar Sound 取代了Springy Sound。传说中SRV就有一把goldstar sound 。
   以前搜tokai的帖子蓝版好像也有把 silver star  。  
放2个youtube上的试听
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx3Gr1v0D4c&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twkQciSvu0o

我这把是Springy Sound  ST-80 收过来自已用了也有将近半年了 但一直对这琴的历史比较好奇 GC上以前有一哥们卖过(不过我可不是这个价收的)哈...
http://bbs.guitarschina.com/thread-501392-1-1.html
ebay和一些国外网站也有介绍,st-50/60的2手价格在ebay上是6、700美元左右 80大概是8、900美元 60和80的区别好像就是拾音器 60是U系列 拾音器 80是E系列。然后60是C型琴颈 80是V型 这个系列的最高型号好像是100 不过我还没找到这个型号的资料。
还有就是关于这个拾音器说是用的Dimarzio  E和U系列 。我上Dimarzio的官网查了, 没有找到这2款拾音器的任何资料 不知道是不是Dimarzio专门为tokai生产的。在国外的tokai论坛上有人说是E就是Dimarzio VS-1拾音器。。关于这个拾音器我也没找到任何资料。。。

目前我所知就是这琴的配置是 dimarzio  E series拾音器 枫木琴颈  ash or alder 琴体(小弟才疏学浅 看不出)  1980年生产 copy Fender vintage57 V型琴颈

希望有了解这琴历史的高手给讲解讲解。。。。英语太差了。。好多国外的网站都看不懂。。。。。

国外的一些评测  英语好的大哥麻烦给翻译下

tures : 10
Black poly finish. Fender Strat copy..a very good copy. Vintage type tuners and trem. Neck is thin compared to a Fender 60's reissue. Rosewood on maple neck, alder body. Made in Japan. 21 frets. 3 single coils, 1 vol and 2 tone pots. 3 ply pickguard All orig.
Sound : 9
I use it with a Fender Champ 25se or a Roland Supercube 100. It hums, very typical and ordinary. Bright sound. Very good for rhythm work. The pick ups compliment each other, very close sounding too.
Action, Fit, & Finish : 9
Like all second hand guitars, you have to set it up for your taste.
Reliability/Durability : 9
Well, haven't dropped it yet. Take good care of this, and it'll last more than a lifetime.
Customer Support : No Opinion
never dealt with Tokai.
Overall Rating : 10
Been playing for 2 years. I love the versatily of this Tokai compared to my other strats (Fender RK, Yamaha Super RinRoller and Aria Pro II Strikin' Sound).
I'd be heartbroken if I lose this one. Very rare to find one in our country that's still in one piece and stock.

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Product: Tokai Springy-Sound Strat
Price Paid: 80 (GBP)
Submitted 04/09/2006 at 07:03am by IvanSC
Features : 10
1980 Springy Sound, bought with the hard case included. The way to tell one of these, which was one of the first ever imported, is if the finish has been scraped off the bottom horn by the staple that stuck through the wall of the original cases!!! Not the best way to be able to date your guitar, but if you have one you are part of an exclusive club. This model is the Strat Fender never made. 1950`s triangular neck section but with a rosewood board on maple.
Mine is the see through white finish and has a single ply straight sided scratch plate ala 1950`s.
Sound : 10
I have used this guitar for just about every kind of music over the past 26 years, with amps varying from Fender to Music man to Hiwatt to the Pod I use nowadays.
Finally after 26 years the selector switch is getting a little noisy but still responds to switch cleaner.
This guitar has all the classic early strat tones. Woody and bell like doesn`t enve begin to describe hopw nice this guitar sounds. I bought it over several `real` strats at the time and it is still better than 90% of the vintage instruments I have played.
Just wish I had bought the other five I chose this one from at the time!
Action, Fit, & Finish : 9
I bought this guitar planning on replacing pickups and machine heads, but the ponly thing I have replaced over the years has been the strings and one bridge screw that fell out somewhere along the way.
My only complaint would be the case that was supplied by the UK distributor at the time, which like I said earlier ripped up the finish.
Reliability/Durability : 10
26 years on and there are a few singls of fret wear but it has been gigged pretty hard up until this year, when I bought a G&L and started playing country on it.
Tuning stability on this instrument has always been exceptional, as has every other aspect of this guitar.
Customer Support : No Opinion
Never had a problem so never needed to contact them! I did however get talking to the original importer in a guitar shop in London last year - we both got very misty eyed about the Oldies but Goodies....
Overall Rating : 10
I have been a player for fifty two years and this is without a doubt the only guitar I have owned apart from my 59 precision that I would kill for. If it were stolen I would track the thief down and probably rearrange a large part of his anatomy.
I currently own twelve other instruments including many that cost way more than this guitar but it is one of the finest strat type instruments I have ever played.
Dreading what the inevitable and imminent refret is going to do to it though.

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Product: Tokai Springy-Sound Strat
Price Paid: N/A
Submitted 01/21/2002 at 01:40am by Anonymous
Email: gafmo at ww<dot>co<dot>nz
Features : No Opinion
ok here goes my first attempt at this. well tokai strat in question is pretty std in terms of what came in the UK at the start of the eighties, just looks like a 62 strat with rosewood fingerboard, small headstock, 3 ply scratchplate and 5 way switch. the clour may have been an end of line or from a custom catalogue as i the only one i have seen in this colour (dark maetallic blue) was played by one of the guitarists in Saxon (anybody remember them). i have had it since i was sixteen so nearly 20 years and it still looks good despite that time. not sure what the body is ade of, my guess would alder or possibly even ash, as it isnt that heavy, but has a quite a loud tone unplugged. it was made in japan and has a sticker with 50 on the heel of the neck and 12519 etched into the nrck plate which anchors the neck to the body - pretty standard.
Sound : 10
in my mad and impetuous youth i did a Van Halen and replace the bridge pick up with a schaller hot stuff (bloody excellent pick p/up inmho and much underrated). anyway last year i had it returned to its original state with the fitting of 2 sd alnico's and a lil 59 at the bridge - and the result is wonderful. iwas origianlly going for 3 alnicos or 2 alnico's and something a bit beefier at the bridge but not a humbucker. the guy the shop made the choice for me and i am damn glad (the work was done by Alan at Music Works, Takapuna - so if anybody is reading this in NZ - speak to this guy, he really knows his stuff and has a great ear for getting you sounding better)
I play a mix of SRV/jeff healey/gary moore/rory gallagher and it sounds better than ever.
Action, Fit, & Finish : 10
great finish on the guitar with no fading or peeling of the finish in 20 years, the headstock has started to yellow a little which is cool.
and cop this, the neck/truss rod on this guitar has not required any work in all that time - it ake it for a pro set up once a year, the action has always been spot on, and the intonation just seem to sit there like a rock and i check that evry string change with an elctronic tuner.
Reliability/Durability : 10
i think this guitar will be keeping my son happy in years to come, actually could be a bit of a bugger as he is 3 yrs old and looking like he will be left handed. 20 years without an issue, i do not see an issue for another 20 years.
Customer Support : No Opinion
any work on this has been carried out by 3 rd parties, i have never contacted tokai.
Overall Rating : No Opinion

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Product: Tokai Springy-Sound Strat
Price Paid: $500 (Cdn) used
Submitted 07/10/2001 at 05:22pm by Anonymous
Features : 9
What can I say? It's a Strat! Specifically, it's a knock off of an early 50's maple-neck strat. The only notable non-period correct features are the 5-way switch (but who cares?), and the attractive candy-apple red paint job. (I think candy apple red first became available in the 60's) Tokai must have painted and lacquered the guitar using 1950's methods - my guitar was built in the 70's, and the paint job is beginning to crack and chip just like an old 50's Strat. Nice.

Sound : 8
This guitar is bright, bright, bright. It's something that I've had to get used to. The original pickups were quite brittle sounding. I installed some Fender texas Specials and started using pure nickel strings - that helped a lot. The guitar is still quite chimey, though - think Mark Knopfler rather than SRV. This can be a good thing though. It seems to require a particular touch to make it sing.
I think that this must have something to do with the body wood; it's an offshore Strat - who knows what it's made of? Maybe it's a "9.5" on a good day.
Action, Fit, & Finish : 10
The necks on these guitars are fantastic! I've played a few, and each one is super comfy: a slightly chunky "C" shape that just plain fits! These necks are smaller than the baseball bats that came on the Japanese reissues that Fender made in the 90's. A friend of mine noticed that the body bevel was a little more shallow that a true 50's Strat - it's still comfy though. I should also mention that guitar stays in tune quite well, and that the neck rarely needs adjusting. On the minus side, the trem unit is somewhat tight, and not particularly smooth. This doesn't bother me, but others might find it annoying.
Reliability/Durability : 9
Twenty years old and still going strong. On the other hand, the paint job is beginning to chip and crack. The guitar definitely requires care when schlepping it around from gig to gig. It's a matter of preference - do you like that slightly battered 50's look, or do you prefer a gleaming, pretty Strat?
Customer Support : No Opinion
Overall Rating : 10
The sound of this guitar is very particular - it's bright and chimey. On those days where I prefer more of an SRV sound, this guitar can get pretty darned annoying. Lately I've found a number of sweet spots and pick attacks that bring out the best in this guitar. It can sound REALLY Sweet with a bit of effort. Anyone who buys one of these up should definitely invest in new pickups (Although I've heard others that have had more of that round strat sound). The feel of this guitar on the other hand, is beyond compare: a nice neck, good balance - hey, it just does everything that a good strat should. Most impartantly, this guitar has character (I don't think that I could replace it if it got stolen). Bottom line - for $500 you can't go wrong.

"E" series pickups (letter stamped on the bottom) are killing. They are actually old DiMarzio VS-1 pickups (no longer made) back when DiMarzio was more 'boutique' than it is now. KILLING.


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发表于 2008-10-23 17:54:17 | 显示全部楼层
吉他中国抖音
哇~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
发表于 2008-10-23 17:55:23 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
看了听了youtube那个。。。

这的确是我听到最像fender的非fender琴~~

连fender那钢丝声都做出来了~~



也好看~~
发表于 2008-10-23 17:56:44 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
三羊???!!!复活了???
发表于 2008-10-23 18:01:03 | 显示全部楼层
声音好甜
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-23 18:04:17 | 显示全部楼层

哈哈

还有几张 小小非主流一下
哈哈··
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 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-23 18:08:19 | 显示全部楼层
山羊好快啊。。。。。。
  发完照片一看 吓了我一跳 还以为发到闲聊区去了。。。。
发表于 2008-10-23 18:55:31 | 显示全部楼层
哇靠~~~今天总算见到真正的仿琴了~
发表于 2008-10-23 19:16:29 | 显示全部楼层

好老的琴~~
发表于 2008-10-23 19:34:31 | 显示全部楼层
这日本牌子真不要脸
发表于 2008-10-23 20:13:22 | 显示全部楼层
这Tokai怎么老模仿人家品牌    还模仿的有模有样    真是哭笑不得
发表于 2008-10-23 20:17:35 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2008-10-23 20:19:06 | 显示全部楼层
木头看着不错啊!虽说仿F味道太足,但是只要音色好,什么都无所谓了!要是出的话联系我!哈哈哈!
发表于 2008-10-23 20:36:03 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 景叔叔 于 2008-10-23 19:34 发表
这日本牌子真不要脸


中国牌子要脸。
发表于 2008-10-23 20:43:13 | 显示全部楼层
最狠的仿F了
发表于 2008-10-23 20:50:09 | 显示全部楼层
LZ的琴么   ..........? 偶觉得也就那样 比现在的日芬好点吧

[ 本帖最后由 睡狮 于 2008-10-23 20:51 编辑 ]
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-23 22:48:22 | 显示全部楼层

回复 16# 睡狮 的帖子

是的。。。。半年前收的了。。。
日芬的57 和美芬57 都没玩过。。。所以不好比较。。。。
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-23 22:49:38 | 显示全部楼层

回复 13# 人民的力量 的帖子

。。。。。。。。自己用着挺爽的。。。。
      还没准备出哈。。。。
要出了 第一个联系你 哥们  哈哈··
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-23 22:56:37 | 显示全部楼层

回复 10# 景叔叔 的帖子

哈。。。tokai就是靠仿gbison  fender起家的。。。现在也还是那条路。。。像它的LP系列的仿琴。。。其高端甚至不输给GBISON  他们也帮fender做代工  日芬好多就是他们做的。。。
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发表于 2008-10-24 08:42:16 | 显示全部楼层
TOKAI 80年ST~~~~~~
给我吧 让我先圆满了~~~~~
发表于 2008-10-24 09:07:10 | 显示全部楼层
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 09:17:06 | 显示全部楼层

回复 21# ANTIEAR 的帖子

哈。。。。大师在收藏tokai?
发表于 2008-10-24 10:08:09 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 chenfanall 于 2008-10-23 17:56 发表
三羊???!!!复活了???
晕咧    你小子才知道哇
发表于 2008-10-24 10:09:55 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 xk.nbd 于 2008-10-23 18:08 发表
山羊好快啊。。。。。。
  发完照片一看 吓了我一跳 还以为发到闲聊区去了。。。。
哈哈哈哈   我早就不混闲聊了    你的琴不错   牛死逼了 好好收藏哦  TOKAI 无敌!!!!!!
发表于 2008-10-24 10:46:04 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 xk.nbd 于 2008-10-24 09:17 发表
哈。。。。大师在收藏tokai?

收藏不动了啊 呵呵
对 看琴头你这该是54不是57
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 10:56:02 | 显示全部楼层

回复 25# 嗜血的山羊 的帖子

哈。。。闲聊版少了你 少了好多乐趣。。。。头像上是你表妹吧?
发表于 2008-10-24 11:00:04 | 显示全部楼层
早期的一批日产仿F,正是他们的出现催生了Squier
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 11:06:11 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 ANTIEAR 于 2008-10-24 10:46 发表

收藏不动了啊 呵呵
对 看琴头你这该是54不是57



54? 54我还真没见过。。。跟57有什么区别呢?
   关于这琴和tokai springy sound您了解吗?虚心请教下。。。  因为看国外有好多人都在讨论TOKAI 的vintage
对这琴也不了解 所以特别好奇。。
    有了解的高手麻烦给说说。。。。
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回复 27# xk.nbd 的帖子

哈哈哈  我要能有这样滴表妹  那真是太美好了   呵呵     再顶  你的琴  绝了
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 11:27:44 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 whigfield 于 2008-10-24 11:00 发表
早期的一批日产仿F,正是他们的出现催生了Squier


对。。70年代末80年代初期的时候 很多日本工厂的定位就是做高品质的仿制品,以低廉的价格占据市场。。。估计着实也对fender和gbison产生了很大的冲击,像tokai 、fujigen做的琴。。
   fender的战略就是创建了squier 然后找这些日本琴厂做代工。。tokai好像就是做了fender的代工以后 没有生产高仿的st款了。。。然后gbison好像就在日本创了个什么牌子 叫B什么来着...专门针对日本市场生产。。。
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 11:31:42 | 显示全部楼层

回复 30# 嗜血的山羊 的帖子

哈哈  那就意淫下吧。。。。。
  谢谢山羊帮顶。。。
发表于 2008-10-24 11:42:02 | 显示全部楼层
楼主这个是桤木的吧
发表于 2008-10-24 12:21:21 | 显示全部楼层
鬼子的做工技术不得不服呀,连LOGO都仿得像模像样的.
发表于 2008-10-24 12:41:30 | 显示全部楼层
压弦器是原始的螺钉式,这是57’前的stratocaster的特征,楼主这把琴应该是54‘或者56’的复刻
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 12:53:08 | 显示全部楼层
找到几张54照片。。。发上来。。。

原来就是这个压弦轴的区别

原来就是这个压弦轴的区别

太牛逼了....

太牛逼了....

真正的54年fender

真正的54年fender
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 12:58:33 | 显示全部楼层

回复 33# cwalter 的帖子

看网上有的人说是ASH 有人说是ALDER。。。。
  我对木头是一窍不通....感觉跟上面这fender的木纹有点像。。。
发表于 2008-10-24 13:31:17 | 显示全部楼层
你上面那个应该是ash
但是你自己的应该是Alder
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-24 13:38:42 | 显示全部楼层
找到个网站看了下

http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/options/options_bodywoods.cfm

我觉得应该也是Alder
 楼主| 发表于 2008-10-26 16:52:06 | 显示全部楼层
有了解这琴的哥们来说说啊。。。
           期待高手。。。。。。
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