来看看美国人如何评价Made-in-China Epiphone！
首先声明，我从来没有弹过无论哪里产的任何Epi或者Gibson，我精选的这些观点也不代表我就认同。如果您有任何不同意的观点，别喷我，去原帖注册个号喷老外去，嘎嘎嘎。
我就是很无聊的发现了美国的两个论坛里有人在讨论中国产Epi，考虑到现阶段大家对于国产Epi都很关注，就很选择了一些观点并且进行了相应的翻译然后贴上来，对于观点我没有进行任何更改，大家可以去原网址进行对照。
此贴的目的无非就是给大家一些新的视角去审视国产Epi，无意挑起国际争端，嘎嘎。
注：此贴会有些长，需要点耐心。
再注：这些观点都是我精选的，并不是全部，想了解更多的朋友请去原帖。
再再注：这两个帖子都是2007年的老帖，不过后面有2009年的回复，我也不知道有没有意义，大家看着玩吧，呵呵。
再再再注：本帖不为了说明任何问题，就是个乐，让大家在茶余饭后，喷人与被喷之余休闲一下，呵呵。 最后一注：由于本人英文水平有限，翻译错误在所难免，如果发现任何翻译上的问题，请大家多做自我批评，谢谢。
开整！！
第一篇
来自美国mylespaul论坛
原帖地址如下：
Hi there mylespaul community. I was wondering, I'm going to buy a Epiphone Les Paul Standard. But, I was told the ones from China aren't good as the ones from Korea. My problem is that, I'm from Argentina, and here is impossible (really) to find one from USA, so, the new ones are only from China. So, I can buy a new one from China, but I was told that wood is worst than the one's from Korea, and that the Koreans are good overall the Chinese ones. So, is it true that the Chinese one's are so bad?, What should I do?, do I really have to purchase one from Korea?, in this case I would have to buy a used one, but this is a problem because I can't use credit card, and I don't have all the money right now.
So, can anyone help me out to decide?, thanks.
楼主：
MyLesPaul社区的兄弟们好。我想买一把Epi std，有人告诉我说中国产的不如韩国产的好。我来自阿根廷，我的困扰是现在不可能买到美国产的Epi，想买新琴就只能买中国产的。我可以买一把中国产的新琴，但是有人说中国产的琴的木头比韩国产的要差很多，而且韩国产的总体来说要比中国产的好。中国产的真的如此差吗？我该怎么办？我真的需要买一把韩国产的吗？如果这样的话我只能买一把二手的，但是我不能使用信用卡，而且我现在还没有足够的钱买一把韩产的。
有人可以帮助我做个决定吗？谢谢。
精选回复：
Many CHinese products are made in prison labor camps with less than decent materials, I would say try and wait till you have the money and search out a Korean
很多中国的产品都是监狱或者劳改所里的犯人用很差的材料制作的，我的意见是先试试看然后等到你有足够的钱的时候买一把韩国产的。
While this may be true, Epiphone has its own factory in China, and the Epi's are made there. I believe that prior to this, Samick was subcontracting to Gibson as their Epiphone manufacturer.
I have an Epi LP Standard Plaintop which I like a lot, and it was made in China. Therefore, I think that each guitar, regardless of manufacturing location, must be judged on an individual basis. Also, if you're waiting for a Korean Epi, it could be a long wait.
楼上说的也许是真的。Epi在中国有它自己的工厂用来生产Epi。我想之前韩国的韩国的Epi生产商Samick把合同转包给了Gibson。
我有一把中国产的Epi Std Plaintop，我非常喜欢它。我认为任何吉他，无论是在哪里生产的，必须要按照演奏者自己的基础来判断好坏。而且如果你要等待一把韩国的Epi,那将是个漫长的过程。
The made in China guitars are just as good as the made in Korea ones I have one of each , both are good. a person can get a bad guitar made any where from any maker Gibson, Fender etc. etc. You will not be dissapointed with the Chinese guitars IMO.
中国产的吉他和韩国产的一样好，两个地方产的我都各有一把，两把都非常不错。你可能会得到一把非常差的吉他无论是在哪里产的，无论生产商是谁，Gibson, Fender等等都有可能。在我看来你没有必要对中国产的吉他失望。
As for the China and Korea thing, I have a Korean made Les Paul atleast that's what it says on the headstock.
Anyways it's great, but honestly just try a bunch of guitars (doesn't matter if it's Chinese or Korean), find the one that really feels nice and plays well and go with that. Location of the factory might have an effect on the quality but you should be the one to decide which guitar is good by finding the best for you.
I heard the new LP standards are better cause they are all mahogany now, my Korean one is Alder/Mahogany still plays great though.
说到中国产的和韩国产的吉他，我自己有一把韩产的LP（琴头后面是这样写的），无论怎样，他非常不错。我觉得你需要试弹很多很多的吉他（不管是中国产还是很国产），然后找出你觉得感觉最好弹起来最舒服的然后买下来。琴的产地可能会对吉他的质量有一些影响但是你应该决定哪一把吉他对你来说是最好的。
我听说新的LP Std比以前的好了因为新的全部用的桃花心，我这把韩产吉他是桃花心和桤木的，不过弹起来仍然很好。
I have both Chinese and Korean Epiphone Dots and Les Pauls.
The level of quality is pretty much the same.
As a matter of fact..... the new Epis coming out are better than ever!! I have a 2007 Trans Black Epi Les Paul Standard (made in China) that is extremely good!! It's a little nicer playing and more comfy than my others.
Also I think the stock Epiphone pickups are quite good, and an upgrade is not absolutely necessary.
我有中国产的Epi dots和LP，也有韩国产的Epi dots和LP，他们的品质完全是一样的。事实上，新的Epi比以前的要好很多！我有一把2007年中国产的Trans Black Epi LP Std，这把琴超级好！比我其他的琴都爽。
而且我认为Epi原装的拾音器非常棒，完全没有必要去更换。
A few weeks ago I played a number of Epi standards at Guitar Center. They had a few made in Korea and the majority were made in China. The bridge pickups all sounded the same to me, but the neck pickup in the Korean guitars seemed more trebly to my ear. The Korean guitars all had better binding than the Chinese guitars, but every Chinese Paul had a much better nut installed. Out of 8 guitars played the one I liked the best turned out to be one of the Korean guitars, only because it had the best setup and feel. I'm sure the Chinese guitars would be just as good with a proper set-up.
Hope this helps.
几周前我去Guitar Center试弹了好几把Epi Std。他们那里有少量的韩产，大多数都是中国产的。在我听来，他们的琴桥拾音器的音色是完全一样的，不过韩产的琴桥拾音器听上去比中国产的要亮一些。韩国产的吉他总体来说比中国产的做工要好，但是中国产的琴的琴枕装配比韩产的要好很多。在我对比的8把吉他里面我最喜欢的一把是韩国产的，仅仅是因为他的制作和调整最到位，感觉最好。我相信中国产的吉他经过适当的调整以后会和韩国产的一样好。希望能帮到你。
Funny the nut thing, every Chinese one I saw from the EE plant has the nut just tacked on to the end of the fret board not seated in any kind of slot at all. All the MIK where properly seated, I think the UC MIC are settled right and the DW MIC as well. No real problem and one which can be corrected.
关于琴枕，我看到的每一把中国产EE的琴只是把琴枕粘在指板的端头而没有固定在任何槽里。而韩国产的都被很好的固定了。我想中国产UC的和DW的琴枕都被很好的固定了。这不是主要问题，是可以调整的。
I have a chinese one and I think it is a really decent guitar. It is not the same standard as my Gibson Les Paul but it is not that far off actually.
我有一把中国产的琴，我觉得他是一把非常优秀的吉他。虽然他比不上我的Gibson LP但是差距不大。
Chinese Epi's rock. Gibson's Qingdao, China plant makes only Epi's. Samick in Korea makes everything for everyone. Jack of all trades, master of none.
中国产的Epi很好。青岛的Gibson工厂只制作Epi。但是韩国的Samick工厂什么都做。什么都做，什么都做不好。
I own a 2007 MIC model too & its built and playability is remarkably better than some other MIK I've played. Not what I expected at first. There are badly made ones made from Unsung China I've played but Qingdao ones are pretty solid. Stock pups can be better but still acceptable.
我有一把2007年中国产的琴。这把琴非常的稳定而且他的演奏性比我弹过的一些韩产琴都好得多，这和我之前预料的不一样。中国Unsung产的琴很差劲但是青岛产的真是非常好。原装拾音器不够好，不过也可以接受。
I have an Epiphone LP Standard Plain Top (China-DW) that I picked out of about 9 guitars of the same model. I did not get the color I really wanted, but this one had the best natural resonance of all of them as well it had the best feeling neck of the 9. You need to just play as many as you can and find the right one.
I once had an extreme prejudice towards any guitar not made in the USA, but some of my favorite and best playing guitars have been made in Asia or Mexico.
我有一把Epi LP Std Plain Top(中国产 DW)。这把琴是我从9把相同型号的琴里面挑选出来的。我没有选择我最喜欢的颜色，但是这把琴的琴体共振和琴颈舒适感是9把里面最好的。你需要尽可能的去弹然后做出最后的决定。
以前我对非美国产的琴都带有偏见，但是现在我最喜欢的最好的几把吉他都是亚洲或者墨西哥产的。
第二篇
来自美国harmony-central论坛
原帖地址如下：
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?t=1793175
Are the made in Korea Epiphones better than the Chinese Epi's?
thanks
楼主：
韩国产的Epi比中国产的好吗？谢谢。
精选回复：
They're the same.
一样的。
I have half a dozen MIK Epis, and they are all solid instruments. I "accidentally" eBayed a Chinese Epi, and it is horrible...
So based on that limited - but real life - experience, I am very wary of the Chinese Epis. They're made in a different factory, so they WILL be different, and so far it's NOT an improvement...
我有6把韩产Epi，他们都非常可靠。有一次我“意外”的在eBay上买到一把中国产Epi，太可怕了……
基于这个真实的经验，我非常提防中国产的Epi。中国产的Epi都是在不同工厂生产的，所以他们是不一样的，这远远不是一种进步……
Some of the new Quing Dao Epiphones I've tried (and one I bought) are GREAT!
我试过的（并且买了一把）一些新的青岛产Epi非常牛叉！
...alright, let's try and apply some logic to the equation...the first Korean Epis were manufactured around 1983...initially they were not well received due to QC issues, especially when compared to earlier Japanese product...but not long after the QC issues were addressed and the quality of the Korean issued guitars continued to improve...manufacturing of Epis was shut down in Korea in 2002 and moved to China...now, owners of the "Japan Era" Epis will tell you that the Korean Epis are inferior (maybe so), and now, the owners of Korean Epis will tell you the same about the comparison of Korean product verses Chinese, but logic would tell you that the later Korean product benefitted from years of manufacturing in the same factories...Korea still produces some higher end guitar product while China has taken over (along with Indonesia) the brunt of the lower cost guitars...In my experience, the Korean product appears a bit more refined than the Chinese, particularly when you look at the neck finish and fretting...
...there's a reason why Rondo makes it's Agile guitars in Korea and their lower cost SX models in China and it's not all about cost...the Korean manufacturers are more experienced (after all, they are the ones who went to China & Indonesia to set up and train the new labor force and oversee production)...PRS has chosen to make their SE line in Korea as well..
...many of the better (and most cost effecitve) pickups are still being made in Korea, like the GFS range of PUs and hardware...
...Korea had 10 years to get it right...China is only 4-5 years into producing these same products...given the choice (outside of just "playing" a particular instument regardless of origin) I would lean towards Epis built in the later years of Korean manufacturing over the current crop of Chinese product...but keep in mind, there's good and bad in all eras of manufacturing...
Afterthought...how many years did it take the Korean auto manufacturers like Hyundai to be able to compete with the Japanese Honda & Toyota quality?...China now has all the high tech manufacturing equipment to build autos, but just look what happened when the Germans tested China's new Brilliance automobiles:
...I know, apples to oranges, but there's some truth to "practice makes perfect"...
……好吧，让我们尝试用逻辑来回答这个问题……第一批韩国产Epi是在1983年左右生产的……一开始他们的产品因为质量控制的不足没有被接受，特别是和早期日本产的相比……但是不久之后质量控制问题就解决了，韩产琴的品质不断在上升……Epi于2002年在韩国停产，开始在中国生产……现在，日产Epi的拥有者会告诉你韩产Epi很差劲，而韩产Epi的拥有者也同样会告诉你中国产Epi很差劲。逻辑上说，后期的韩产Epi会很好因为他们在同一个工厂里生产了好多年的Epi……现在韩国仍然在生产一些高端吉他而中国和印度尼西亚才开始生产一些低端琴……以我的经验，韩产琴比中国产的要精细一些，尤其是在琴颈上漆和品丝打磨上……为什么Rondo选择在韩国生产他们的Agile吉他而在中国生产他们低端的SX系列呢？这不仅仅是成本的原因，是因为韩国的生厂商更有经验（毕竟，韩国派人去中国和印度尼西亚去培训新劳动力并且监督生产）。PRS也选择韩国来生产他们的SE产品……很多很好的（性价比最高的）拾音器都是由韩国生产的，比如GFS拾音器和硬件……
韩国有着十几年的生产经验，而中国仅仅开始生产这些产品四五年，如果是我，我会选择后期韩国产的琴而不是中国产的新琴。但是切记，同样的生产商可能做出好琴也可能做出差琴。
再想想，韩国产汽车例如“现代”的性能需要多少年才能同日本的“本田”和“丰田”匹敌？中国现在有着所有高科技生产设备来生产汽车，但是当德国测试中国产的新车“Brilliance”时，你看看发生了什么吧……(此处略去一个网址)
我知道，萝卜白菜各有所爱，但是“实践出精品”是真理。
Funny thing about that statement is that the PRS SE guitars are assembled in Korea but not actually made in Korea. They get their bodies and necks from China. A lot of the big name manufactures in Korea are cutting costs by importing bodies and necks out of China.
一个可笑的事实是PRS SE吉他只是在韩国组装的并不是在韩国生产的。他们在中国生产琴体和琴颈。韩国的很多大品牌生产商都是从中国进口琴体和琴颈的。
The problem with China is quality control. They have the expertise and machinery to turn out cheap but decent quality guitars. And some of the guitars that come out of China are, indeed, cheap but of decent quality (some perhaps better than that). But there are also a lot of "oops" guitars that come out of China. The better manufacturers place their own people in the QC/finishing loop to help ensure fewer oops guitars come out (Yamaha is probably the very best at this). But frequently the China product, even when associated with a quality name, is being manufactured at a price point, and QC/finishing suffers either by neglect or by a "good enough for the price" attitude.
Essentially, the China product COULD be as good as Korea or Indonesia or whereever. But mostly it is not, on average, because the lines being produced in China are considered by the manufacturers to not merit the same investment in QC/finishing that the lines being produced in Korea or Indonesia merit.
中国的问题是质量控制。他们有专业的技术和机器去制造价格便宜但品质优秀的吉他。并且有一些中国产的吉他确实是物美价廉的。但是也有一些差劲的中国产的吉他。一个好的生产商会进行很好的质量控制来防止瑕疵品出现（Yamaha是个很好的例子）。但是中国的生产商（甚至是大品牌生产商）往往只注重成本，质量控制往往被忽略了，他们的态度是“在这个价位里已经足够好了”。
事实上，中国产的琴完全可以和韩国或者印尼或者其他任何地方产的一样好。但是大多数情况下并非如此。因为中国的生产商不会像韩国或者印尼那样在生产线里投资质量控制的。
i recently bought a new 2007 MIC Epi LP custom (Serial # starts with EE) and i think tonewise, is on par with my modded USA standard even with the stock pups. and some features are actually better than the USA LP: the top carve is better-it is very close to my Historic LP and the neck angle is better- the bridge is not too high unlike most USA Standards and also, the tone caps are also better.
前不久我买了一把2007年中国产Epi LP custom(EE)，我觉得音色非常好，和我的美产Std一样好，某些地方甚至比美产LP更好，比如top carve，很接近我的Historic LP，而且琴颈比Historic LP更好！琴桥不像我的美产LP那么高而且音色旋钮比美产的还好。
So, Then would you say they are of equal quality?
I think they are....... give or take the normal variation that occurs from guitar to guitar from even the same manufacturer.
I've got several M.I.K.s and several M.I.C.s and they seem pretty much the same to me.
--那么你会说中国产的和韩国产的有着一样的品质？
--我觉得是这样的……同样一个工厂生产的琴的品质也会有不同。
我有几把韩产琴和几把中国产琴，对我来说，他们完全是一样的。
The tone and volume pots were crappy in my MIC Epi. I replaced them with some alpha's and now I love it. I think they used cheap pots to intentionally make it sound like a $300 guitar. It has a great tone and I always loved how it plays. I have found Gibson LP's with more visible quality control flaws than my Epi.
我的中国产Epi的音色和音量电位器真是太差劲了。我换成了Alpha的，现在我非常喜欢这把琴。我想他们是不是故意使用便宜的电位器使得他们的吉他听起来就像300美元的琴。现在他的音色非常棒我非常喜欢。和我的中国产Epi相比，我发现Gibson LP上有着更多的肉眼可见的质量控制瑕疵。
Funny thing..... In my M.I.C. Epi Dot Studio the volume pot has the best taper of any guitar I've ever owned or played. Every small turn makes a difference all the way to full on or full off.
They must have accidentally put a higher end pot in it.
有意思的是，我的中国产Epi Dot Studio上音量的电位器是我所拥有的所有吉他里面最好的。很小的旋转都能发生音量的变化。
他们肯定是不小心把高档电位器装在上面了。
The MIC Epi G400 I had was probably the best playing and sounding SG I ever owned. That includes a couple mid 70's Gibsons and a mid 90's Gibson SG special. QC was perfect and the stock pups were excellent.
I find it kind of funny to hear complaints about pots in a $300 guitar. It takes $25 and 15 minutes to swap them for better ones. Pots and caps are a total non-issue.
我的中国产Epi G400是我所拥有的SG吉他里面音色最好的，比我的70年代中期和90年代中期的Gibson SG Special都好。质量控制做的很好，而且原装拾音器真是太棒了！
我觉得抱怨一把300美元的吉他上的电位器是很无聊的，你只要花25美元和15分钟就可以换一套更好的，电位器和旋钮完全不是什么问题。
IMO the MIK Epi Semi-hollow and hollow-bodied guitars are MUCH better than the new MIC Dots. However, I saw many, many, MIK Epi LP copies returned to Guitar Center in the '90s... usually electrical problems.
在我看来韩国产的Epi半空心和空心吉他比中国产的Dot要好多了。但是我发现有很多很多的韩产Epi LP都被用户退货给了Guitar Center，基本都是由于电路的问题。
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