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[原声琴评测] 《《 Martin 集结号 》》

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发表于 2012-11-30 00:13:23 | 显示全部楼层

纠结中。。。。。

吉他中国微信公众号
虽说自己有把不错的琴Seagull Maritime 'SWS' HG,不过为了圆自己一个MARTIN梦,还是准备烧吧。。。
因为还是比较喜欢窄指板,又喜欢M36和omjm的复古黄所以一直在00028H M36 omjm这几支琴里纠结。。。。查了下国外的网
站说法也不一。。拿不定主意啊!!! [em25] [em25]

请各位GC用过这几把琴的朋友,特别是蒋大哥给些建议啊!!!

既然发帖也要给大家一些有用的东西,下面是在国外网站查到一些资料

给各位martin迷分享下 000和OM 的区别,大家也可以做些参考:

Nut Width (includes wider neck and bridge spacing):

OM. OMs normally have a 1 3/4" nut width. However, some Limited and Special Editions (John Mayer, Paul Simon, Richie Sambora) have 1 11/16".

12-fret 000. All 12-fret 000s have a 1 3/4 nut width or greater.

14-fret 000.
a. All 000's in the 16 Series and below are 1 11/16".
a. The 000-18 and the 000-28 000s in the Standard Series and below are 1 11/16" and the 000-42 is 1 3/4".
b. All 000s in the Vintage Series are 1 3/4" or greater (000-28VS)
c. 000s in the Limited and Special editions vary by model, but most are 1 3/4".

Scale Length:

OM. All OMs are long scale, 25.4" nut to saddle.

12-fret 000. All 12-fret 000s are long scale (since approximately 1924) except for the Norman Blake models, which are short scale. These models are an exception to the rule, perhaps because they combine a 12-fret neck with a 14-fret 000 size body and are thus one-of-a-kind design models.

14-fret 000:
a. All 000s in the 16 Series and below are long scale.
b. All 000s in the Standard and Vintage Series are short scale, 24.9" nut to saddle.
c. 000s in the Limited and Special Editions vary by model. Most, but not all, are short scale.

Bracing:

16 Series and below: All 14-fret 16 Series and below OMs and 000s have identical bracing by comparable model, i.e., 000-15 vs OM-15. 12-fret 000s have their own bracing pattern.

OM. All OMs in the Standard Series and above are 1/4" scalloped, with forward placed bracing.

12-fret 000. All in the Standard Series and above are scalloped with forward bracing. The 1938/9 rear placement on the 14 fret models never occurred with 12-fret 000's, so they maintain their original configuration. 16 Series have Hybrid-X bracing, which is scalloped but an entirely different pattern, and 15 Series and below have A-Frame bracing, which is simpler and not scalloped. Thanks to oldtimey828 for this latest info.

14-fret 000.

a. Standard Series are 5/16" non scalloped for the 000-18 and 000-28 and scalloped for the 000-42. The 000-28H is no longer listed but was scalloped.
b. Vintage Series: 5/16" scalloped. The 000-28EC is not forward shifted. I believe that the 000-18WG was forward shifted, but it is no longer listed.
c. Limited Editions: Varies by model.
d. Special Editions: Varies by model.
e. Exceptions: The 000-18GE and 000-18A bracing pattern is 1/4" and forward placed. The 000-18 Kenny Sultan is 1/4" but not forward placed.

Pickguard:

OM. All OMs have the small “teardrop” pickguard.

000. All currently produced 12 and 14-fret 000s that have a pickguard have the large size (except the Martin Carthy 000-18, which has the teardrop).

Body Size (inches):

OM and 14-fret 000.
Body Length: 19 3/8
Upper Bout: 11 1/4
Lower Bout: 15
Upper Depth: 3 11/32
Lower Depth: 4 1/8

12-fret 000.
Body Length: 20 7/16
Upper Bout: 10 3/4
Lower Bout: 15
Upper Depth: 3 1/4
Lower Depth: 4 1/16

Headstock:

12-fret 000: Most are slotted headstock, but a few (Jimmy Buffett) are solid headstock
14-fret 000: All are solid headstock
OM: All are solid headstock

As far as tone etc. goes, this subject is of course very subjective. This is a bit of an overgeneralizaiton, but many folks think that the OM has more volume and projection due to the longer scale length, and the 000 has a "Blusier" sound and is easier to play.
发表于 2012-12-2 22:39:28 | 显示全部楼层
吉他中国抖音
各位马丁的伙计们,我前两天在香港通利买了把马丁的xc1t,大家对这款琴有研究吗
我只知道是面单的,双拾音器,网络上也基本没介绍,xc1t也不知什么意思,知道详细情况的给介绍下,咱论坛还有这型号的吗?
发表于 2012-12-5 22:12:52 | 显示全部楼层
GC视频号
我今天早上在通利尖沙咀总店,购买了D18P,请大师们点评一下这把,我买走的是样板琴,只有这把,D18GP有两把,可惜指板太宽,我不适应,放弃了,店员告诉我HD28要订,三四个月后才到。
发表于 2012-12-5 22:54:39 | 显示全部楼层
买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
兄弟朋友们,我准备入手D16 RGT可是对这琴没有了解,只凭直觉喜欢,没有碰过更不知道音色如何,弹过的介绍下呗
发表于 2012-12-6 08:40:33 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 sam851 于 2012-12-5 22:12 发表
我今天早上在通利尖沙咀总店,购买了D18P,请大师们点评一下这把,我买走的是样板琴,只有这把,D18GP有两把,可惜指板太宽,我不适应,放弃了,店员告诉我HD28要订,三四个月后才到。


新款D18相当不错,相较老款D18有了相当的提升,除了面板已经比较接近D18 GE,切削前置音梁,很多细节设计更好了,包括指板 琴头弦钮等。样板琴无所谓的,反正你弹几天也变成样板琴了
发表于 2012-12-6 12:37:09 | 显示全部楼层
我想买D1和D1GT  过去香港买还是代购呢? 我是穷学生 国内那些价格伤不起啊 希望以最优惠的价格买到 有推荐哪种方式吗?  另外 我离香港很近。
发表于 2012-12-7 14:19:09 | 显示全部楼层
在Martin官网看到D28 Marguis的介绍是说用的 East indian rosewood, 但是我怎么记得之前看到好几人说d28 marguis用的是Madagascar rosewood。。。

有人给介绍一下么
发表于 2012-12-7 15:49:42 | 显示全部楼层
Martin D28 Marquis 用的是East indian rosewood。

Martin D28 Marquis Madagascar用的才是Madagascar rosewood。此琴具体见马丁官网:http://www.martinguitar.com/comp ... uis-madagascar.html
发表于 2012-12-7 16:28:40 | 显示全部楼层

回复 3028楼 蓝调书生 的帖子

多谢大哥解释。
查了一下,都没有看到D28 Marquis Madagascar的销售消息, 停产了吗?
发表于 2012-12-7 22:30:14 | 显示全部楼层
是的,目前停产。
发表于 2012-12-8 11:07:59 | 显示全部楼层
蒋兄,组织一次马丁琴弦团购吧
发表于 2012-12-12 12:09:48 | 显示全部楼层
看的我,[ 口水流的止不住!占有一把马丁就够喽!感谢老兄们,让人过过眼瘾!
发表于 2012-12-12 12:18:38 | 显示全部楼层
蒋哥,我想问下,你的T型扩孔器那里有的买啊
发表于 2012-12-19 10:09:19 | 显示全部楼层
购于香港通利琴行(将军澳店)订货用了一个星期 昨天刚刚到手的martin 00015m   全桃花心木全单  木头有一股奶油核桃味道
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发表于 2012-12-19 10:49:14 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 蓝调书生 于 2012-12-7 15:49 发表
Martin D28 Marquis 用的是East indian rosewood。

Martin D28 Marquis Madagascar用的才是Madagascar rosewood。此琴具体见马丁官网:http://www.martinguitar.com/component/k2/item/527-d-28-marquis-madagasc ...



这两款都是我最终理想的琴。
发表于 2012-12-20 15:13:33 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jeffrey624 于 2012-12-19 10:49 发表



这两款都是我最终理想的琴。

在通利我试过D28MARQUIS,让人蛋痛的是V型琴颈,极不适应。伙计说这款琴好过D41.。。。定价也D41相当。。。D28MARQUIS和D41都要38000钢刀
发表于 2012-12-20 16:40:01 | 显示全部楼层

我的hd16r

在羊大师的帮助下,入手了这把hd16r。感谢羊大师的慧眼识珠,在茫茫如大海的网络中帮我挑中了这把琴,卖家是一家乐器店,这是店里的样板琴,所以保养得非常好,看不出任何瑕疵,除了琴弦有点旧,几乎就是一把全新的吉他,价钱则便宜了近三分之一(当时新琴价格刚刚上调了100刀)。
型号:hd16r
年份:2010
面板:adirondack spruce
侧背板:east indian rosewood
音梁:Hybrid ''X'' Scalloped
指板:Modified V, 1-3/4'' (我喜欢的宽一点的指板)
以前没弹过什么单板全单,所以不好评价音色具体有多好,跟弹过的破合板比起来真是天壤之别:
1、真正能调准了,每一品感觉都是准的(用电子调音器)。
2、延音很长。
3、声音真正对得起“乐器”这俩字了。
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发表于 2012-12-20 16:51:45 | 显示全部楼层

回复 3029楼 jhsz 的帖子

据说V neck如果习惯后还是很舒适的...    D28 marquis确实是好琴, 明年存好钱搞一把
发表于 2012-12-21 09:18:01 | 显示全部楼层

回复 3030楼 yuexudong 的帖子

指板镶花,复古面板,最重要的这把琴是马丁,并且还是全实木制作的,完美。外观有点像我那掉漆后又重新上漆的CORT700.正如你所说,可能CORT缺乏的就是音准(每次弹都需要调弦,然后自我忽略音准问题),共振和有关产品长期使用的工艺,除了这些,CORT的外观,音色已经非常好了,已经不会让人有再买其他乐器的感觉了。
发表于 2012-12-21 13:12:45 | 显示全部楼层
好帖  
发表于 2012-12-21 13:42:05 | 显示全部楼层

马丁HD28的配件

请问各位大哥,马丁HD28有哪些附件,里面有吉他的证书吗?
发表于 2012-12-22 11:30:15 | 显示全部楼层

集结

型号;D28                                      年份;老琴坏了,新买的12年的           特点不用说,D28标准的蛮狠的低音,适中的中频,柔和甜美不刺耳的高频,图片暂时没贴,因为我在改装她,加拾音器和换护板,换复古式弦钮,哈哈哈
发表于 2012-12-22 14:42:27 | 显示全部楼层
今天刚刚到手HD28V,还是老问题,请问有这把琴的大哥,你们里面有哪些配件啊?
发表于 2012-12-22 19:15:31 | 显示全部楼层
有个使用手册,还有个什么注册的,那没用

还有张卡片,可以通过序列号查年份
发表于 2012-12-22 20:36:16 | 显示全部楼层

HD28V弹起来很舒服,013的弦没有感觉不适。

今天吉他才到货,心情激动啊,没有想到低音是这么震撼。

面板中规中矩

面板中规中矩

附件较少

附件较少

保养说明、尾钉、箱子钥匙、编号卡

保养说明、尾钉、箱子钥匙、编号卡
发表于 2012-12-23 14:50:05 | 显示全部楼层
对小马丁很中意啊!
发表于 2012-12-24 16:04:30 | 显示全部楼层
martin dcpa1 plus 世界末日前入手弹唱利器及周边效果器,现场演出,直接录音棚效果
http://bbs.guitarschina.com/viewthread.php?tid=1492927&page=1&authorid=1339095




引用不了图片,崩溃

[ 本帖最后由 2011jitawolaile 于 2012-12-24 16:05 编辑 ]
发表于 2012-12-24 17:31:12 | 显示全部楼层

两把比较

请教马丁哥,我想知道下面两把琴音色能有多少差别。我有第2款,今年上半年买的,当时就为了要一个指板、面板、背侧板都舒服的配置,刚好符合就拿下了。我看了两个琴的配置,差别基本在TOP BRACE和木料等级上。所以我想知道,那个OM42定制款的TOP BRACE对音色能有多大提升?另外,OM42定制款的木料等级是Premium,那么签名限量款是不是这个等级的?多谢回复!

1、MARTIN OM-42 MADAGASCAR CUSTOM GUITAR
Specifications:
Model: * OM-42M Custom
Construction: * Mahogany Blocks/Dovetail Neck Joint
Body Size: * 000-14 Fret
Top: * Solid Adirondack Spruce (Premium)
Rosette: * Style 45
Top Bracing Pattern: * Standard "X" Scalloped, Golden Era
Top Braces: * Solid Adirondack Spruce 1/4''
Back Material: * Solid Madagascar Rosewood (Premium)
Back Purfling: * Style 45
Side Material: * Solid Madagascar Rosewood (Premium)
Endpiece: * Grained Ivoroid
Endpiece Inlay: * Black/White Boltaron
Binding: * Grained Ivoroid
Top Inlay Style: * Abalone Pearl with Black/White/Black Boltaron
Side Inlay: * Black/White Boltaron
Back Inlay: * Black/White Boltaron
Neck Material: * Solid Flame Mahogany
Neck Shape: * Low Profile
Nut Material: * Bone
Headstock: * Solid/Diamond/Square Taper
Headplate: * Solid East Indian Rosewood /C.F. Martin Block- Select Abalone Pearl
Heelcap: * Grained Ivoroid with Black/White Boltaron Inlay
Fingerboard Material: * Solid Black Ebony
Scale Length: * 25.4''
Number of Frets Clear: * 14
Number of Frets Total: * 20
Fingerboard Width at Nut: * 1-3/4''
Fingerboard Width at 12th Fret: * 2-1/8''
Fingerboard Position Inlays: * Style 45 Snowflakes - Select Abalone Pearl
Fingerboard Binding: * Grained Ivoroid
Finish Back & Sides: * Polished Gloss
Finish Top: * Polished Gloss w/ Aging Toner
Finish Neck: * Polished Gloss
Bridge Material: * Solid Black Ebony
Bridge Style: * Belly
Bridge String Spacing: * 2-1/4''
Saddle: * 16'' Radius/Compensated/Bone
Tuning Machines: * Waverly Gold Open-Geared w/ Butterbean Knobs
Recommended Strings: * Martin SP Lifespan Phosphor Bronze Medium Gauge (MSP7200)
Bridge & End Pins: * White w/ Abalone Pearl Dots
Pickguard: * Delmar Tortoise Color - Beveled & Polished
Case: * 533 Geib Style
Interior Label: * none

2、martin OM-28M Rosanne Cash 签名限量款
Specifications: Martin OM-28M Rosanne CashEDIT
Construction:        Mahogany Blocks/Dovetail Neck Joint
Body Size:        000-14 Fret
Top:        Solid Adirondack Spruce
Rosette:        Style 45
Top Bracing Pattern:        Standard ''X'' Scalloped
Top Braces:        Solid Sitka Spruce 1/4''
Back Material:        Solid Madagascar Rosewood
Back Purfling:        HD Zig-Zag
Side Material:        Solid Madagascar Rosewood
Endpiece:        Grained Ivoroid
Endpiece Inlay:        Black/White Boltaron
Binding:        Grained Ivoroid
Top Inlay Style:        Bold Herringbone
Side Inlay:        none
Back Inlay:        Black/White Boltaron
Neck Material:        Select Hardwood
Neck Shape:        Low Profile
Nut Material:        Bone
Headstock:        Solid/Diamond/SquareTaper
Headplace:        Solid Black Ebony /C. F. Martin Script Logo (Less Est. 1833), Rose - Mother Of Pearl
Heelcap:        Grained Ivoroid
Fingerboard Material:        Solid Black Ebony
Scale Length:        25.4''
# of Frets Clear:        14.0
# of Frets Total:        20.0
Fingerboard Width at Nut:        1-3/4''
Fingerboard Width at 12th Fret:        2-1/4''
Fingerboard Position Inlays:        Diamonds & Squares- Long Pattern w/ CASH Inlay In M.O.P. Between 19th & 20th Frets
Fingerboard Binding:        none
Finish Back & Sides:        Polished Gloss
Finish Top:        Polished Gloss
Finish Neck:        Polished Gloss
Bridge Material:        Solid Black Ebony
Bridge Style:        Vintage Belly w/ Drop-In Long Saddle
Bridge String Spacing:        2-1/4''
Saddle:        16'' Radius/Bone - Drop-In Long Saddle
Tuning Machines:        Gotoh Nickel Open-Geared w/ Butterbean Knobs
Recommended Strings:        Martin Studio Performance Light Phosphor Bronze (MSP4100)
Bridge & End Pins:        Solid Black Ebony w/ Abalone Pearl Dots
Pickguard:        Delmar Tortoise Color - Beveled & Polished
Case:        533E Geib style
Interior Label:        Signed By Rosanne Cash, Numbered In Sequence w/ Total (100)
Electronics:        Optional
Manufacturer Site:        Martin OM-28M Rosanne Cash
发表于 2012-12-26 10:47:36 | 显示全部楼层
楼主,平时你用马丁练习的时候也是上的013的弦吗?我的HD28V在箱子外面放了2天,由于湿度,指板已经有轻微的弓起了,是不是还是应该换成012的呢?

[ 本帖最后由 powermax 于 2012-12-26 10:50 编辑 ]
发表于 2012-12-26 18:26:59 | 显示全部楼层

回复 190楼 banjoroll 的帖子

对,其实D28本身就是一把古型号,从有这个型号以来一直没变的做工流程和材料配置以及内部结构
发表于 2012-12-27 14:21:51 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 CFMGuitar 于 2012-12-26 18:26 发表
对,其实D28本身就是一把古型号,从有这个型号以来一直没变的做工流程和材料配置以及内部结构


你知道老马丁面板和背侧板是用哪种材料吗?还有架构?说说看。
发表于 2012-12-27 16:54:41 | 显示全部楼层

顶起

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发表于 2012-12-29 03:37:13 | 显示全部楼层
我也报个道

MARTIN D35


2012

装了LR. BAGGS M1拾音器

还在开声,才到手的

以后坚决用13的弦了。
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发表于 2012-12-29 10:41:03 | 显示全部楼层
顺便想问问各位琴要多久开声啊?
发表于 2012-12-29 12:11:46 | 显示全部楼层

回复 3047楼 kevinblue008 的帖子

我的D28P现在弹了快五个月了
已经感觉到有开声了 不过这东西应该是在几年之后还在继续的过程
发表于 2012-12-29 14:09:38 | 显示全部楼层

回复 3048楼 shujianNN 的帖子

只能苦逼的等了
发表于 2012-12-30 15:13:33 | 显示全部楼层

回复 1380楼 chenfan112 的帖子

不用担心,我也是南方天的,呵呵,湿度也和你一样,也有你说的那种情况,凸的凹的都有,正常的,因为弦的拉力很正常,65到75是马丁的正好湿度,但注意如果达到85以上了就最好别拿出来超过2到5个小时,只要湿度还好就多弹弹它就是最好的保养了。
发表于 2013-1-1 22:30:22 | 显示全部楼层
能请各位大师评价一下D18P吗?
发表于 2013-1-1 22:52:09 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 2013-1-2 23:47:18 | 显示全部楼层
最近一直在马丁集结号泡着。截止到现在102总算看完了 涨了不少知识。个人很喜欢马丁的声音复古就像一杯醇香的咖啡,经过岁月的洗礼越品越香气,更像一坛陈年老酒。自从第一次听马丁就喜欢上了,以前一直喜欢大G可能因为外观吸引人吧,但是真的听不懂究竟声音好在哪。但是听了马丁以后立刻能跟我心里产生共鸣,原来这就是我要的吉他声音呀!!
   目前正在苦练技术,希望有天能把马丁抱回家!在此感谢下这么专业的楼主。以后买琴咨询你
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