Suhr新品Rasmus......明盘了的商业化。。。

last_word · 发表于 2010-1-18 05:45:09

好像没什么可大惊小怪的 BOGER HAMER BERNIE RICO 什么的不早都这样了吗... SUHR要真能看种中国的厂我到觉得是好事可惜很有可能是棒子产的。。

我爱豆豆 · 发表于 2010-1-18 05:46:42

1.能扩大产量，也是人家的本事，能找到足够的人才，有拓展的能力和决心。DG一直想增加产量，增加不上去呢，找不到合适的人。
2.出了子品牌不代表母品牌质量就下降，Suhr的质量是经过证明的，绝不输于其它顶级手工品牌，所以这么早就下定论未免不负责任。
3.PRS是一出来就没好到哪去，纯靠炒作炒起来的，除了PS系列的，其它的琴很难跟那几个顶级手工品牌抗衡，说难听点相去甚远。
4.绝大多数人用的都是普通价位的琴，3000美元往上的琴，用者按比例讲可以说甚少，因此争论出了子品牌之后这个牌子会怎样怎样其实意义真的不大，更多精力还是应该放在新出的子品牌是不是可以造福广大琴友
5.产地问题，我觉得没什么必要争论，人家那么专业的人，选厂肯定不会乱选的，就算选在中国怎么啦，那应该是国人的骄傲。而且木料采购肯定都是本人亲自监督，以前正常送来的木料要退回去三分之二，现在把退回去这三分之二选一部分做子牌子，说不定性价比非常高呢，人家出那个标价，就是奔着削芬达去的。
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weiweiinmn · 发表于 2010-1-18 10:09:17

只是一把琴而已
你在乎人家运营策略干吗？
ESP下面N厂、E厂、G厂和L厂水准参差不齐
你还不买了不成？
Gibson下面有E
Fender下面有SQ
Suhr这运营策略对那些G和F的忠实用户来说根本不必在意
弹琴就行了

XMM · 发表于 2010-1-18 11:04:42

还是那句话,一分钱一分货

suhr手工价格1W多

我不相信7-8K的仍然能出到1W多的质量和声音

如果suhr有5K多的琴,那它就是值5K而已,不要幻想值1W

东南西北 · 发表于 2010-1-18 11:23:30

楼上说的很对，顺便说一下，拿suhr和fender去比没有任何意义，
俩根本就不是一个声，suhr不是fender声，fender也没什么品质低于suhr这么一说。
引用论坛某高人说过的一句话，全世界的琴大部分都是再走模仿f,g的道路上摸索。

凝固的黎明 · 发表于 2010-1-18 13:30:04

如果是MADE IN CHINA的话
我来一把HH双摇的

当然别太贵了最好

凝固的黎明 · 发表于 2010-1-18 13:33:10

原帖由 我爱豆豆 于 2010-1-18 05:46 发表
3.PRS是一出来就没好到哪去，纯靠炒作炒起来的，除了PS系列的，其它的琴很难跟那几个顶级手工品牌抗衡，说难听点相去甚远。

你真弹过ME么...我弹过我觉得真的很强大
PRS有自己的声, 不过单就那个声音来说 AP就很好了, ME比AP强一大块

PRS有好琴是肯定的, 而且是非常的好. 只是PRS量产的琴确实做的越来越不靠铺了, 有好的也有真不怎么样的.
不过如果你拿着买R9的钱去买ME的话，一定一定不会后悔. 当然前提是你喜欢PRS.

funkjazz · 发表于 2010-1-18 13:36:18

原帖由 东南西北 于 2010-1-18 11:23 发表
楼上说的很对，顺便说一下，拿suhr和fender去比没有任何意义，
俩根本就不是一个声，suhr不是fender声，fender也没什么品质低于suhr这么一说。
引用论坛某高人说过的一句话，全世界的琴大部分都是再走模仿f,g的道路 ...

您可以找一把F的美产VINTAGE57，和SUHR的S1，不听声，对比下，打开电路仓，对比下，接上音箱，再对比下。。。。。。。

funkjazz · 发表于 2010-1-18 13:39:03

原帖由 weiweiinmn 于 2010-1-18 10:09 发表
只是一把琴而已
你在乎人家运营策略干吗？
ESP下面N厂、E厂、G厂和L厂水准参差不齐
你还不买了不成？
Gibson下面有E
Fender下面有SQ
Suhr这运营策略对那些G和F的忠实用户来说根本不必在意
弹琴就行了

顶一下，SUHR就是自己的声音和个性，不存在什么要不要灭F美豪的问题，JOHN SUHR这种人想问题不会那么弱智的

凝固的黎明 · 发表于 2010-1-18 13:39:15

原帖由 funkjazz 于 2010-1-18 13:36 发表
您可以找一把F的美产VINTAGE57，和SUHR的S1，不听声，对比下，打开电路仓，对比下，接上音箱，再对比下。。。。。。。

有时候只听声的对比其实更有意义的
我以前搞过，结果出于某种原因我放弃了 [em28]

last_word · 发表于 2010-1-18 16:16:27

RASMUS GUITAR by SUHR MADE IN CHINA!!

tensu917 · 发表于 2010-1-18 16:18:07

我倒是挺看好的，有别的型号吗？

last_word · 发表于 2010-1-18 16:35:36

Rasmus/Suhr guitars- Pete Thorn's opinion

Hi dudes,

so awhile back I was visiting the Suhr factory, and Ed handed me a Modern, and asked me what I thought- I played it for a few minutes, and it was exceptional, felt like a typical Suhr guitar to me. Then he explained it was a sample, one of the protos for what's become the Rasmus line....

Well, first off, I was surprised- I had many of the same thoughts/questions/concerns as many of you. But I was holding this guitar, and it was essentially flawless. I mean, one of my concerns was actually how would this line affect sales of the regular Suhrs, because the guitar felt and played and looked so damn good. Flawless finish, perfect frets (makes sense, since the Suhr guys had done the whole setup). Obviously tight tolerances.

So we talked for a long while, and I brought up many things like what had happened to the Charvel/Jackson and Kramer lines in the 80's, etc. And Ed basically answered all of my questions, I didn't realize just how much experience and background he has dealing with Asian guitar factories, he really knows his stuff. He explained to me that with many of these companies in the 80's and 90's it was just about bottom line and expanding as fast as possible, and that they'd be raking in cash and living high on the hog, and maybe 1000 guitars would show up on the dock from Asia and the quality would be sub par, and that the bean counters would just send em out, instead of returning them. The Suhr guys clearly want nothing to do with that sort of b.s.- I don't know anyone more concerned with quality than John- so trust me he gets it, there's really no way he'd put his name on something if it wasn't up to snuff. Like, he wouldn't be able to sleep at night anymore. He just wouldn't do it. So whatever Ed has sorted out as far as a factory goes, I'll tell you, this guitar I played felt just exceptional.

As far as demographic, from what Ed told me they are aiming for the dudes that would normally be buying the Ibanez, the Schecter, the guys on the Petrucci forum that really would love a Suhr but can't (til now) afford it. Young guys or guys on a budget playing modern rock, metal, shred, etc.- hence the H-S-S and H-S-H pickup layouts, floyds, Modern body shape etc.

So that's my take on it. Pick one up and play it before you worry too much about anything else- honestly, Ed handed me this guitar, I didn't know, literally had no idea I wasn't playing a US made Modern when I played it, until he told me- so I guess that in of itself is an endorsement.

凝固的黎明 · 发表于 2010-1-18 16:56:12

连Pete thorn都分不出来China和Suhr Team的区别?
那我们为什么pay extra money to yankees?

I was surprised...too

不过如此说来我真要弄一把...而且我很庆幸我没买Suhr Modern....不然我亏大发了.....

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water358 · 发表于 2010-1-18 17:40:41

Rasmus的琴不可以选配置的吧???

last_word · 发表于 2010-1-18 17:55:04

原帖由 water358 于 2010-1-18 17:40 发表
Rasmus的琴不可以选配置的吧???

http://www.rasmusguitars.com/Rasmus_10_Price_List_Consumer.pdf

希望以后有不锈钢品丝和更多颜色

funkjazz · 发表于 2010-1-19 09:40:35

哈哈，Modern HH真的可以考虑

凝固的黎明 · 发表于 2010-1-19 10:25:20

恩我想买一个HH 双摇

大单块 · 发表于 2010-1-19 13:55:59

JOHN SUHR的回帖

Anyway
I'm not going to dare read all these posts and combat post by post because I fear I will not sleep well and I can just guess....
I knew this of course was all coming....
So let me just guess at some of the rumors I have heard!
I'm just going to go off on my own rant here so in no specific order I will address some things I have heard.
First off this line was inspired by my son when we took a trip a few years ago to look at some import product for him and his friends. We were discouraged to find the limitations in a guitar priced under $1000. Not everyone has a deep wallet, that doesn't mean they dont deserve a good playing, well setup up guitar.
Do I wish I could sell a guitar to a customer for under $1000 built to my specs in the USA ? Absolutely! Can I ? No
Why? Rent, utilities, cost of living for the employees, Health care, Workman's Comp and the list goes on and on as many business people know. I also wish my computers, iphone, furniture, cars, Washer, dryer, TV every electrical component in my life, food ranging from fish to vegetables all came from the US but this is not the case with any of it. I cant afford to stock my house with USA made furniture. I buy food from Costco which usually comes from everywhere except the USA.
Am I removing jobs from US workers? No... I am creating more jobs... to build these guitars even with Chinese parts in the USA I am going to have to hire more people. I will offer kids who could care less about forums another option to get into a Suhr inspired instrument. I will give Suhr users an option of a great sounding and playing guitar to gig with without crying when it gets a war wound or stolen.
These guitar are using our frets, our pickups (made in the USA) our hardware, USA or EU wood, Graphtech nuts., everything except the gears which are bitchin, no reason to change them.
After they are inspected in China by Ed Yoon personally... we rip it all apart and rebuild it including a plek job on the frets and yes cutting the nut on those models.
They are NOT Suhr guitars, just designed and rebuilt by us using our specs to compete in a market that frankly most of you guys on this forum dont really care about. How is this different than all the hardware, pickups, gears, replacement neck and bodies used in relic parts guitars, amplifiers (from USA companies) that are all made overseas or in Mexico? We have a global economy.
The company we use has an excellent reputation for treating their employees with respect, offering their families health care and excellent conditions (better than 99% of US factories).
We are creating a new line independent of Suhr, creating jobs and offering musicians more opportunities. Also more buying power allows us to maintain or reduce costs on higher end instruments when some companies are raising prices in this market.
As far as a take over? not a chance, as long as I and my son (next boss) are still breathing we will have USA guitars. I thought musicians wanted to make music and not have the gear get in the way.
So...what is the problem?

凝固的黎明 · 发表于 2010-1-19 14:24:14

听起来真不错, 如果是made in china的话还真需要买一把.
正好对modern这种双摇大metal琴持纠结态度的我还可以有个便宜便宜的选择而且还有个YY的理由...[em28]

The company we use has an excellent reputation for treating their employees with respect, offering their families health care and excellent conditions (better than 99% of US factories).
这句话实在令人惊讶, 很想知道这个公司是哪家.还可以offer families health care, 这似乎是中国法律之外的额外福利了.

陶瓷清爽 · 发表于 2010-1-19 19:54:11

I am creating more jobs... to build these guitars even with Chinese parts in the USA I am going to have to hire more people.
I thought musicians wanted to make music and not have the gear get in the way.
JS说话越来越ED了。
果然是中国人民的好朋友啊。时时刻刻的为中国劳苦大众着想。还给广大乐手提供了更多质优价廉的乐器。
这是怎样一种国际主义精神啊。建议我国ZF授予JS同志荣誉国民称号。

楼主，我要批评你，这么大无畏的奉献精神，怎么能说是明盘了的商业化呢？
这是造福大众的好事啊。等以后规模大了，将山东那些厂家都兼并了，规范化市场多好。
当初创立这个品牌的时候，就是为了让更多乐手花最少的钱得到自己最想要的乐器。这难道不好嘛？
就如同厂领导不断的提高工人工资、减少工作时间、增加福利待遇一样。这种无微不至的关怀是难以言表的。
我们国家强大了，谁还敢瞧不起MADE IN CHINA？这是值得庆幸的事情。看到我国新闻部的在国外投放的国家广告MADE IN CHINA了吧？
以后社会趋势就是所有都要MADE IN CHINA，等共产主义实现了，连美国人生孩子也要MADE IN CHINA。
你的思想觉悟还有待提高啊。

Richie★Kotzen · 发表于 2010-1-19 20:02:52

一个商人就该做一个商人该做的事呵呵

凝固的黎明 · 发表于 2010-1-19 20:05:10

Suhr的好坏自有用家评说了...随它去吧

不过m200我还真可以考虑弄一把应该怎么也比ibz强吧如果是2个Aldrich就好了

陶瓷清爽 · 发表于 2010-1-19 20:24:37

如果实际价格在700美元左右，还是是超值的选择。
估计市场定位在950美元左右。
美国人实用主义的居多。至少我觉得照描述来看，应该比美标强。

JS是个大胆的商人。因为他这么做首先涉及到了其他美国同行的利益问题。
有点儿像是80年代的日芬。
后来呢？日芬改路线了。
看这句：Also more buying power allows us to maintain or reduce costs on higher end instruments when some companies are raising prices in this market.

他现在说话的方式和行为也越来越像ED了。很亚洲。

funkjazz · 发表于 2010-1-19 20:59:53

原帖由 凝固的黎明 于 2010-1-19 20:05 发表
Suhr的好坏自有用家评说了...随它去吧

不过m200我还真可以考虑弄一把应该怎么也比ibz强吧如果是2个Aldrich就好了

俩ALDRICH就牛逼了，力大如牛，又粘，又清楚。。。。太狠了

srv123 · 发表于 2010-1-19 23:40:04

SUHR这琴到是没什么，只是中国代理商把他神化了，吹得天翻地覆的，其实好琴终究是好琴，用不着那么使劲帮人推屁股。（除非利益上。。。。）

大单块 · 发表于 2010-1-20 00:14:09

我一直觉着1000 USD买个美产CHARVEL PRODUCTION MODEL挺不错的
http://www.charvel.com/production_models.html

陶瓷清爽 · 发表于 2010-1-20 05:49:43

原帖由 大单块 于 2010-1-19 17:14 发表
我一直觉着1000 USD买个美产CHARVEL PRODUCTION MODEL挺不错的
http://www.charvel.com/production_models.html

嗯，这还像回事。至少是美产的，金属范儿。

funkjazz · 发表于 2010-1-20 08:40:19

原帖由 srv123 于 2010-1-19 23:40 发表
SUHR这琴到是没什么，只是中国代理商把他神化了，吹得天翻地覆的，其实好琴终究是好琴，用不着那么使劲帮人推屁股。（除非利益上。。。。）

神化SUHR的不多，神化F的倒真不少。赞SUHR的都是赞做工，木料，声音，赞F的大多赞经典。

东南西北 · 发表于 2010-1-20 09:42:04

原帖由 funkjazz 于 2010-1-18 13:36 发表

您可以找一把F的美产VINTAGE57，和SUHR的S1，不听声，对比下，打开电路仓，对比下，接上音箱，再对比下。。。。。。。

照您的话说，suhr是vintage声音？！
充其量也就是modern vintage吧。
所以我说这两个牌子压根就没有什么可值得去对比的。至于你说的那种对比。在suhr正式有中国代理前我就尝试过了。

东南西北 · 发表于 2010-1-20 09:45:14

原帖由 funkjazz 于 2010-1-20 08:40 发表

神化SUHR的不多，神化F的倒真不少。赞SUHR的都是赞做工，木料，声音，赞F的大多赞经典。

现实是完全和你说的相反，呵呵。
赞f的是完全符合客观事实的。谁让f玩的是历史

funkjazz · 发表于 2010-1-20 12:19:18

原帖由 东南西北 于 2010-1-20 09:42 发表

照您的话说，suhr是vintage声音？！
充其量也就是modern vintage吧。
所以我说这两个牌子压根就没有什么可值得去对比的。至于你说的那种对比。在suhr正式有中国代理前我就尝试过了。

SUHR CLASSIC不VINTAGE吗？什么叫做VINTAGE？是音乐，JS1000也可以很VINTAGE，F57也可以玩MODERN。从来就没说过要比两个牌子，对比的是琴，不是历史，我们不拥有FENDER的历史，我们也不拥有SUHR的历史，否则什么琴都不用比了，但看看F现在的量产琴，就知道什么叫历史的沧桑巨变了。真正客观的是，横向比较总是容易被武断地掐入一条历史的纵贯线，于是，所有的比较都变味了，习惯使然

cream1986 · 发表于 2010-1-20 12:38:12

都别吵了，谁给录两个对比。大家猜！

weiweiinmn · 发表于 2010-1-20 12:52:55

我没觉得G的声音和F的声音就值那钱
至少我没觉得别的牌子不如他们
打倒一切封建迷信和唯心主义

levt11 · 发表于 2010-1-20 13:07:32

关键是质量音色

东南西北 · 发表于 2010-1-20 13:13:03

原帖由 funkjazz 于 2010-1-20 12:19 发表

SUHR CLASSIC不VINTAGE吗？什么叫做VINTAGE？是音乐，JS1000也可以很VINTAGE，F57也可以玩MODERN。从来就没说过要比两个牌子，对比的是琴，不是历史，我们不拥有FENDER的历史，我们也不拥有SUHR的历史，否则什么 ...

如果你认为是vintage那就是vintage~是这意思吧？
全世界的大牌乐手甚至摇滚明星选择fender,gibson，就因为他们没拿f57和suhr比对是么？
还是他们花不起内钱疑惑不想花钱买suhr？还是john suhr本人不愿意送他们琴？觉得自己琴质量牛逼，谁都得花钱买？

东南西北 · 发表于 2010-1-20 13:14:52

原帖由 cream1986 于 2010-1-20 12:38 发表
都别吵了，谁给录两个对比。大家猜！

吵不至于，论坛么，各抒己见，最好能有论据来证明自己的论点不是很好的事么~

东南西北 · 发表于 2010-1-20 13:21:42

原帖由 weiweiinmn 于 2010-1-20 12:52 发表
我没觉得G的声音和F的声音就值那钱
至少我没觉得别的牌子不如他们
打倒一切封建迷信和唯心主义

不过貌似现在全世界还没有第2个在自己的宣传侧上打出“Make history”字样的吉他品牌吧~

东南西北 · 发表于 2010-1-20 13:23:05

原帖由 funkjazz 于 2010-1-20 12:19 发表

SUHR CLASSIC不VINTAGE吗？什么叫做VINTAGE？是音乐，JS1000也可以很VINTAGE，F57也可以玩MODERN。从来就没说过要比两个牌子，对比的是琴，不是历史，我们不拥有FENDER的历史，我们也不拥有SUHR的历史，否则什么 ...

是啊，我也不想去比啥么。。。。但是你之前有个回复说让我去用把57和s1对比。。。。试问谁能抛开品牌的概念的情况下去对比这两个琴？
实在费解……

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funkjazz · 发表于 2010-1-20 13:41:35

其实说白了，抛开品牌去比本来就很正常，如果这样对比确实出了结果，就是有价值的，所以愿意带着品牌去比的，当然可以，但是不带着这种因素去比，也不错的，大家的维度不一样，我之前的意思，就是对比这两把琴。我记得我有一次带着S1去上海排练，排练房朋友并不知道这个牌子，他说这把仿芬做的真好，他主观上觉得声音比他的芬达声音还好，可见在不确定品牌的前提下，某些要素对于某些人来说还是有些可比性的。

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