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[原声琴评测] 《《 Martin 集结号 》》

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发表于 2011-2-28 13:28:43 | 显示全部楼层
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再来一次,我的两支马丁,都是16系列,DC16GTE&00C16DBGTE

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吉他中国抖音
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GC视频号
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买琴买鼓,就找魔菇
好像还有两支马桶吧  呵呵
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-28 19:34:27 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 gtfzp 于 2011-2-26 15:14 发表
我是搞知识产权的,就假马丁的事儿说两.....
再说说国内的这些仿冒者,现在是信息时代,假琴掘金的年代已一去不复返,劝各位不要继续丢国人的脸了,我们这些马丁迷瞧不起你们!


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 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-28 19:38:07 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 wangsinger 于 2011-2-26 13:10 发表


000和00的区别就是尺寸,00更小一些,我最近考虑入000-28H,手里的000-15M考虑出,楼上有兴趣到时候可以联系我


000-28H的结构和音色相当于000-28EC,价格却便宜不少,绝对值得你考虑
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-28 19:40:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 刹那感动 于 2011-2-28 13:28 发表
再来一次,我的两支马丁,都是16系列,DC16GTE&00C16DBGTE

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缺角大王!
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-28 19:46:48 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 baboontip 于 2011-2-27 20:59 发表
请问马丁的琴是没有背带钉么?本人学生估计要买也就是马丁低端的dx1系列的或者泰勒1、2系,想问高手你们一般是怎么给马丁安背带的?   同求dx1原声和电箱系列的使用感受?多谢大大们了


马丁有背带钉的琴,它们是最新的表演艺术家系列(performing artis),全部带原厂拾音器,已经成为Taylor电琴的最大竞争对手。表演艺术家有4个子系列,1系配置最高,4系今年1月份推出,配置最低(还是全单配置)价格相当低。
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-28 20:07:32 | 显示全部楼层
前面帖子里江郎贴出了马丁今年最新的表演艺术家4系performing artist,表演艺术家系列是马丁在坚持传统的同时推出的最具竞争力的现代电箱琴,非常好的满足了吉他音乐家现场表演的需求,同时又保持了马丁原声吉他的特点。价位覆盖面比较广,从1千美元出头到4千美元都有,可以说必有一款适合你。

写了这些,感觉自己很像马丁的marketing manager,呵呵。不过如果马丁真有一天到中国开分公司,我肯定第一个去应试市场经理,钱稍给些也无所谓,呵呵。

下面是我最近读到的相当好的一片关于表演艺术家系列的评测,英文的太忙实在没时间翻译,回头有时间再说吧。

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C.F. Martin & Co. Performing Artist Series



In January, 2010 Martin Guitars unveiled the impressive Performance Artist 1 models at the NAMM trade show. This new line of contemporary acoustic-electric guitars included three sizes of cutaway bodies, the classic Dreadnought, the traditional Orchestra Model and the rad, new Grand Performance. They were an instant sensation.
That same day I met up with Tim Teel, Head of Instrument Design at the Martin factory, where he gave me a tutorial of the new GPCPA1, which translates as Grand Performance size with a Cutaway body made with Performing Artist 1 tier appointments.  I learned how these guitars were going to represent Martin in the twenty-first century.


Three more tiers were added to the PA Series over the following year, with different price levels and corresponding features. The fanciest is tier 1, with tier 4 standing as the least-expensive. But they all share certain attributes that make the Performance Artist Series so new and exciting. Conceived with versatility in mind, they are created equally suitable for fingerstyle and strumming. I must say they have succeeded brilliantly in this respect, thanks to the High Performance neck shape, which has a ratio of width at nut to width at the 12th fret different from any previous Martin neck. Each model has a new, easy access cutaway as well as a special bridge and hybrid string spacing to go with the new neck. The on-board Fishman F1 pickup interface is matched with a new cord jack separate from the end pin. There is even a new pickguard design. Each of these features is detailed below.
The Performing Artist 1, 2 and 3 models all feature Indian rosewood back and sides and a Sitka Spruce top. Other materials vary depending upon the tier. The Performance Artist 4 models are made from Sapele and are reviewed among the 2011 models, here.
PA1 Models
The PA1 models are gorgeous to look upon. They have a high gloss body and a smooth satin finish neck. The faceplate on the headstock features a new Martin logo, with block letters similar to those found on their Style 45 guitars, but reduced in size and made from a material never before seen on a Martin. It is type of Ablam created out of small pieces of shell to achieve a uniform color, that is slightly off white. Unlike mother of pearl, it reflects in the yellow part of the spectrum rather than blue. In Mr. Teel’s words, he wanted a logo that would appear “contemporary yet old style”.
The fret markers on the dark, ebony fingerboard fit that description as well. They have traditional, notched diamonds of brilliant blue paua shell set between two sleek arrowheads made from the same material as the logo and pointing out toward the edge of the fingerboard. The rosette is high-color blue paua busy with veins and facets that tie in beautifully with the diamonds on the fingerboard. The combination of pale yellow shimmer and the glinting sea blue was an inspired choice and gives the PA1 guitars an upscale appearance without being ostentatious. The inlay enhances the wooden instrument, it does not encrust it.
The body and neck have solid ovankol binding, a wood of mottled reddish-brown, matched with a wide, solid strip of the same wood running down the center of the back. Martin has rarely used wooden binding in modern times and never this species. Between the inlays and the ovankol a PA1 model instantly says, “This is not your granddaddy’s Martin.”
The tuning machines are gold and have large, comfortable buttons. Hardware for the strings consist of a bone nut and Tusq® saddle,
an inert substance which Martin feels is best for transmitting string vibration to an under saddle pickup, because it is free of the small air pockets found in organic materials.

The pickup is connected to the new Fishman F1 Aura interface, developed specifically for these new guitars. It consists of two, flat dials and an LCD readout, all about the size of a nickel, set into the bass side where the player can easily see it and adjust it, mid-tune if necessary. Those two, little disks access a wealth of settings, including volume, eq and 9 Aura images that mimic the sound of the specific PA guitar as recorded throughvarious, high-end microphones. There is also a tuner and nifty phase switch to instantly get in phase with the whatever PA or amp it plugs into.
I own the original Fishman Aura preamp and when dialed into an appropriate image for the specific guitar, it beats every plug-and-play acoustic-electric sound I have come across. I recently saw Martin Clinician Craig Thatcher performing with a PA1 guitar in a cavernous theater larger than the Beacon theater in New York City. It sounded spectacular. And I really mean that it sounded better than any acoustic-electric guitar I have heard in a similar setting.


A great deal of thought went into the Martin PA 1 models. They flirt with opulence but remain priced below the best Standard Series Martins. For all their nice trim, they are not intended to be sheltered in some drawing room or meant to stand with museum pieces. They are made to be brought out and plugged in, taking the stage and owning the road. They just happen to look great too.

PA2 and PA3 Models
The next tier in the Performing Artist Series is currently limited to one model only, the GPCPA2, with a List Price $500 below the PA1 models. The PA3 models come in all three sizes with a List Price $1,400 below the PA1 tier.
The most important difference from the PA1s is no more solid wood bridge and fingerboard. Instead, they have Richlite, a composite of resin and cellulose fiber taken primarily from recycled paper. Since the cellulose layers are woven into fabric they become infused with the resin and the final product acts more like a solid than a veneer. That should mean it will also transfer vibrations from the guitar strings in a similar fashion. It has a density slightly greater than the densest ebony.
Another noticeable difference; the PA2 and 3 have a high gloss top and a satin finish back and sides. The 2 gets an attractive three-piece back, similar to the D-35. The wood binding is also gone, replaced by grained ivoroid on the 2, as seen on Vintage Series Martins and the 3s get the white Bolatron used on the Standard Series. Each has a headstock featuring a gold logo like that on Martin’s Standard Series models.
The fret markers on the 2 are still luxurious, made up of large, abalone “scalloped diamonds” that are, as far as I know, unique to this model. It also has a rosette with a ring of abalone much like the paua shell ring on the PA 1.
The PA3 and PA4 models get a rosette similar to the black and white lines used on most Martins, but they sport a new fingerboard design that I like a lot. They have tiny, white dots offset along the bass side of the frets, positioned between the E and A string, with a double dot signifying the octave at the 12th fret.


I first saw this pattern on a futuristic prototype some time ago. I am glad it has finally seen the light of day on a catalog model. There is something so ultramodern about it. And that really is the whole point; these are not old timey Martins hotwired for the concert stage. The Performing Artist Series features modern musical instruments for a new century, with cutting edge technology to offer the performing guitarist top quality plug-n-play electronics on a competitive, contemporary acoustic guitar.
Performing Artist Design Features
The idea for the new Grand Performance body came from C.F. Martin IV. He wanted something that could enter into direct competition with the mini jumbo models popularized by luthiers like Jim Olson and George Lowden and since emulated by just about every major guitar maker, except Martin. The GP size has a depth similar to the Dreadnought and a lower bout that is wider, and rounder than a Martin OM, but not as wide as their M and J sizes. In general, it has a voice more like an OM than an M, but with a heartier low E string than either.
Like the GP, the PA Series Dreadnought and OM models have a new cutaway angled with a greater scoop that allows the player to really get to the upper frets and play them with the ease of an electric guitar. This is as accessible an acoustic neck as I have seen without a double cutaway.
The new F1 electronics interface came out of brainstorming sessions that Martin shared with Fishman in early 2009. It packs a lot of features unique to the Aura imaging system, but can be used with simpler pickup systems like the Fishman Sonitone, now on the PA4 models and found on other Martins outside the PA Series under the name F1 Analog. Like on the pricier Aura version, the F1 Analog interface still gets the on-board tuner and feedback-killing phase switch.
One feature I love is the new end piece on these guitars, which has a pop-out 9 volt battery for the pickup. Perhaps this means the batteries get used up quicker, but it is a nice feature none the less. No more detuning the strings and reaching into the soundhole. Having the guitar’s 1/4" cord jack separate from the strap button is yet another brilliant feature. The button is now set closer to the top of the guitar, allowing the instrument to hang suspended from the player’s neck without tipping forward.
The Performing Artist bridge is also unique, as it is smaller and the wings on either side of the saddle are shallower. The shape looks traditional at first glance, but it has a subtle but decorative curve at the back and it is actually narrower in length on the soundhole side, so the edges have a tilt to them. Not only does the bridge have less mass than normal, it has a smaller bridgeplate. This smaller bridge footprint results in a top that is more responsive to vibration and leads to more resonant string energy converting into soundwaves.
High Performance Neck
The most impressive feature of the Performing Artist Series is Martin’s first new neck in decades. Slightly shallower than other Martin necks and less cheeky, what makes it a truly new neck is the taper, or lack there of. It has a width of 1-3/4” at the nut like Martin’s OMs, but it retains the 2-1/8” width at the 12th fret used on guitars that normally end with 1-11/16”. This gives the player a little extra room down in the first position, while offering a faster, sleeker neck in the upper frets. The necks are made from Spanish cedar and are finished in a low-friction satin that makes gliding from headstock to heel wonderfully slick.
The High Performance neck profile is as comfortable and effortless to play as an electric guitar, easy to grasp all the way around while providing enough mass to hold onto. It is slightly V’d so the palm does not flatten out like it does on the Martin’s Low Profile necks but not so V’d that it gets in the way of a Classical hand position, like vintage-style Martins. Players who like to use Jazz chords, Rock power chords and a lot of barre chords should appreciate the High Performance neck, where even thumb-fretting at the 8th fret is a breeze. The slimming taper up the neck makes it ideal for players with smaller hands and shorter fingers – are you listening ladies?
In the mid-1970s Bob Taylor became the first builder to make a success out of offering what were essentially acoustic guitars with an electric guitar neck. Bill Collings and other makers came along with slender necks that feel more parallel than tapered as you move up the frets and Jim Olson was among the influential luthiers who carved their necks shallow, because wider necks are easier to play with very little wood behind the fingerboard. Only now has Martin moved to offer their own, contemporary neck, which is different than any found elsewhere. However, the company has made up for lost time; there are three new models outside of the PA Series offered with this neck, the CEO6, D-28P and D-18P.
Thus far, this neck is always matched with string spacing of 2-3/16”, a sort of hybrid set halfway between the spacing used on the Standard Series OM and Dreadnought models. For an old OM player accustomed to vintage spacing, it still feels a bit narrow for my picking hand, but I love how easy the neck plays all the way into the cutaway. It cries out for hot lead licks. Owners of standard 1-11/16” necks should find playing these guitars feels free and easy, but not all that different from what they are used to.
All Performing Artist models are made with Martin’s modern, Mortise and Tenon neck joint and veneer neckblock. When compared to Martins with a traditional, hand-fitted dovetail neckjoint and solid mahogany neckblock, M&T Martins have big, brash trebles and the overall voice can be rather brassy when played hard out. They do not have the same amount of resonant undertone that permeate the lows and mids. It is still there, but not to the same degree. This actually leads the M&T Martins to recording with a clear, open ring and they amplify electronically with fewer feedback issues. The PA Series was created with electrified performance in mind and all M&T Martins excel in this arena specifically because they lack the wavering resonance of a dovetail Martin that often causes havoc in high-gain sound systems and complicated band mixes.


I do not feel they stack up to classic Martins when it comes to acoustic tone, even if they sound as good or better than many other modern guitars out there in their price range. I am persnickety when it comes to pure fundamentals and thick, resonant undertone. But the PA Series instruments certainly sound great when they are plugged in and taking over a room as the master of a high-powered sound system.
The Performance Artist guitars sound as contemporary as they look. They should prove competitive when standing amongst the Taylors and Takamines inundating the progressive pop and country charts and may just tip the scales in Martin’s favor when it comes to players who want more oomph behind the bright and shiny top voice coming off the strings.
In fact, a Performance Artist Series Martin compares quite favorably to a Taylor, or to a Bourgeois (Pantheon) or other guitars that employ a bolt-on neck, which tend to have a lot of ring and sustain from fundamentals that stand out and open from a milder undertone. It is no coincidence that Taylor players who end up getting a Martin often buy themselves a guitar from the 16 Series or some other M&T Martin like the John Mayer model. They went looking for a voice that still pops out with chimey, forthright trebles, but has more guts and growl, a bit more body under the hood, yet not too much. Well, now they have a whole collection of Martins in the Performing Artist Series that will give any of those other brands a run for the guitarist’s money, with comparable acoustic chimes and perhaps the best acoustic-electric tone available.
Performing Artist Pickguard
The OM and GP models come with Martins’ new pickguard that mimics the curve of the guitar’s waist and has a pointy, “flame” appendage aimed toward the bridge, purposely set somewhere between the one on similar pickguards by Taylor and Gibson. It is clear who these guitars are designed to compete against. They still look like Martins, but a new kind of Martin made for the twenty-first century guitarist. When the guitar is standing upright, the new guard looks somewhat like a heraldic shield, which, in a way it is. Yet another example of how Tim Teel, his staff and the skilled craftspeople out on the floor have brought together the classic and contemporary to create a whole new line of guitars that still very much say C. F. Martin & Co.



Revised January, 2011
 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-28 20:11:10 | 显示全部楼层
Performing Artist

 楼主| 发表于 2011-2-28 20:50:03 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 MARIEN 于 2011-2-28 15:20 发表
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帮你贴上!






[ 本帖最后由 banjoroll 于 2011-2-28 20:53 编辑 ]
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发表于 2011-3-1 16:31:06 | 显示全部楼层
楼主威武,咱们英文都不好,以后蒋兄多发中文呀,哈哈
发表于 2011-3-1 21:12:22 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 banjoroll 于 2011-2-28 19:40 发表


缺角大王!


哈哈,接受你们的改造,准备入手一支不缺角的试一试!

[ 本帖最后由 刹那感动 于 2011-3-1 21:13 编辑 ]
发表于 2011-3-2 10:57:24 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 kaza 于 2011-2-27 22:58 发表
感谢江郎提供这么多视听
我耳拙,基本听不出区别
不同时间分别弹过HD28、D28、D1,前二者的声音相近,我无法说出差别,D1与前二者的差别比较明显,整体共鸣、低音都不如前二者,不排除我弹的那把D1特别不好

hd28和d28音色区别还是比较容易听出来的,毕竟音梁结构不同。
d1是桃花心木背侧的,和玫瑰木的音色没有可比性。。。。
发表于 2011-3-2 12:12:44 | 显示全部楼层
你看看你看看,让外面这些纳几百块琴的穷人情何以堪呢
发表于 2011-3-2 15:08:57 | 显示全部楼层
南方回南天,空气潮湿,空气湿度到85%!!请问各位高手,这种情况怎么保养吉他呢?刚入手的martin mmv
发表于 2011-3-2 15:21:38 | 显示全部楼层
淘宝有卖硅胶干燥剂,一大罐子就8块钱 然后自己买点小的纸袋 每次都装一点 然后放琴盒里 效果不错 我一个放琴体那里 一个放琴头
发表于 2011-3-2 15:43:23 | 显示全部楼层
我平时去超市,到散称饼干的柜台,一般像旺旺雪饼这类的,都放有干燥剂,可以顺手拿几包回家放琴箱里。
发表于 2011-3-2 16:21:24 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 liyejun0913 于 2011-3-2 15:43 发表
我平时去超市,到散称饼干的柜台,一般像旺旺雪饼这类的,都放有干燥剂,可以顺手拿几包回家放琴箱里。

这个方法好,过年家里还有几包旺旺呢,回去拆了放琴箱里
发表于 2011-3-2 19:04:54 | 显示全部楼层
最近一直关注马丁的琴,昨天晚上10点多看到这个帖子,一直看到凌晨4点多才把这个帖子看完,最后连眼睛都睁不开了~~~早上上班还迟到大半个小时,我是不是疯了,还是中毒了~~~
发表于 2011-3-2 19:06:18 | 显示全部楼层
看得我直流口水,却又没得碰~~~
发表于 2011-3-2 23:53:28 | 显示全部楼层

回复 1107# 6789412 的帖子

ls, 我前几天也是这样看的帖子。这帖子比较有营养。
发表于 2011-3-3 17:48:21 | 显示全部楼层
来报到。LX1E,D35。
向各位马丁前辈问好。改日贴图。
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原帖由 kkpig119 于 2011-3-3 17:48 发表
来报到。LX1E,D35。
向各位马丁前辈问好。改日贴图。

这配置不错,记得分享美图
发表于 2011-3-4 15:21:51 | 显示全部楼层
咋没有弹弹小马丁的?小马丁咋样啊?这可是穷人可以入手的琴哦
发表于 2011-3-4 21:57:15 | 显示全部楼层

马丁

我想今年,我或许会再归入几把马丁,楼主在马丁器材知识方面,投入和花费的精力和无私的辛苦付出,在此表达我个人的敬意与谢意!
发表于 2011-3-4 23:29:58 | 显示全部楼层

马丁迷

banjoroll兄和集结号的诸位兄弟都是是里手行家 ,望能从中得到兄指导,现有takamine -ef341sc电箱   takamine-ef360gf 电箱     和 hd28v, 目前锁定大范围是d-18ge        d-18marquis         j-40        m21steve earle              custom-om35          m36           000-28ec          omjm           m38        d-18v          00-18v       想得到最值得购买的前三把琴答案的  【依次顺序? 】 或别的型号也可!兄弟平时只会瞎弹唱,不会指弹,岁数大了,仍就痴迷吉他不改,我想banjoroll兄,识多见广!一定知道美国吉他玩家一致推崇的好货  。再次向banjoroll兄吹起的集结号致以我深深的敬意!   辛苦兄弟
 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-5 08:56:05 | 显示全部楼层
楼上的兄弟,欢迎加入马丁集结号。

你锁定的范围都好琴。既然你已经有了HD28V并且主要用来弹唱,我的推荐是:
1、M36
2、OM35 (或者000-28H)
3、J40
发表于 2011-3-5 13:13:38 | 显示全部楼层
花了两天的时间看完了全部帖子,受益匪浅啊。
不懂什么木琴,出于对Clapton的大爱,前几天定了00028ec,看了这个帖子才知道原来还这么有研究啊。看来以后要多多学习
发表于 2011-3-5 13:21:22 | 显示全部楼层
马丁大叔还活着么?长啥样?
 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-5 16:02:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 jgh0122 于 2011-3-5 13:21 发表
马丁大叔还活着么?长啥样?


CF Martin IV和马丁未来的新接班人

发表于 2011-3-5 17:43:33 | 显示全部楼层

更新martin官方最新吉他弦安装教程。

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjQ4NDc0MTYw.html
发表于 2011-3-5 20:17:06 | 显示全部楼层
这个视频很有用哦。马上试一试
 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-5 21:03:36 | 显示全部楼层
这视频的最后一段很有帮助,多谢MuisC。
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发表于 2011-3-5 23:48:54 | 显示全部楼层

让兄费心了

   琴归入后,向兄报到
发表于 2011-3-6 15:49:10 | 显示全部楼层
BANJOLL发的马丁知识产权的帖子真的值得我们深思。后面几个兄弟也把各方面都分析过了。

关于假牌子的苦,咱们也吃过很多亏,大家还记得金丝猴奶糖么?我记得就被老外抢注过,

还有一些国货什么的,也被抢注,包括一些专利,80年代日本人到传统宣纸产地,咱啥也不保留地给他们摄影牌照,

回头现在人家是全球最大宣纸出口国(某文章写的),连五粮液还是茅台的泥巴都偷了走,

幸亏维度不同复制不了百年老窖。我记得全球最大中草药出口国也是棒子和鬼子,

我们在这里吃过亏,是不是就一定要做君子?我觉得这个命题扯远了可以有许多答案可供选择。


作为琴友,我肯定鄙视假马丁。必须的。站在国家的立场(莫拍我哈哈),未尝不是长远格局的一个选择,

丰田本田是不是从抄袭欧美开始的?是。日本相机是不是先抄袭德国鬼子?是。

近来日本流入的2手相机多 ,琴更多,大家发现没有,马丁(包括GIBSON)在80年代打官司的大户可是鬼子哦,

当然,现在鬼子也有了一般那、LTD啥的全球乐器大牌了。

我觉得这个假马丁可能带来的好处也有:比如让马丁重视中国市场,加大推广,投放好产品甚至降价(理论上不是没可能,就如这几年大众投放新车型策略一样)。

作为消费者的利益,严重鄙视假马丁,你仿都可以 ,但鄙视假冒真,JOHNSON不是口碑挺好么?

顺带叹息一下不争气的红棉,为嘛要改名呢???几代琴友的情感历史啊
发表于 2011-3-6 16:00:01 | 显示全部楼层

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老兄,00028-ec现在什么价位
 楼主| 发表于 2011-3-6 16:03:45 | 显示全部楼层
鬼子棒子人家是在模仿、抄袭、偷窃、仿制、琢磨、研究别人的技术或者设计,这绝对值得学习。但这山寨马丁却是在原封不动的抢注别人的品牌(马丁姓氏和1833年创立),然后制造出一些粗制滥造的东西来蒙骗国人、获取暴利。这一点和鬼子棒子的抄袭有着本质的区别。
发表于 2011-3-6 16:17:43 | 显示全部楼层
同意楼主的观点,我见过2手论坛里有人4000多出这个假马丁,好像还全单的。

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